Kit Bennett

And some of that stuff, if we were doing it now, the Americans would be jumping over themselves.

But no one really cared much about the Pacific in those days.

I had a good friend who was a foreign minister in... We've bleeped that out.

You know, we were ready to use him if we needed to, but no one was kind of interested.

And then we moved to Asia, but I started working in the Pacific, which was kind of quite good.

Well, you kind of, first of all,

get to meet the one you can meet.

So like if you're in a commercial cover, you're going to be meeting the trade people perhaps.

And you try and piggyback off them to the people you want, because it's very useful to have a recruitment of someone who is a genuine diplomat.

But what you really wanted to recruit was an intelligence officer, because then you get to know what they're doing.

So I set up as a marketing consultant and found out what a marketing consultant might be.

And I set up a little office in Wellington in a high rise and the car in the car park.

And then I...

I don't know, a metamorphosis, some sort of a change from an intelligence officer to a businessman, theoretically.

I used a couple of organisations.

I joined a couple of organisations and that gave me an in.

And all I needed to do, I got invited to a couple of diplomatic functions and that's all I needed.

I just needed a toehold.

And then I put myself out there...

And I really liked doing it.