Konrad Kay

And honestly, in the first season, me and Mickey were just really interested in the idea of luck.

We're also just writing towards our references as well.

For us, the stuff we grew up loving and watching, the language and what was coming out of people's mouths could be as dramatic as what was actually happening in the scenes.

I mean, you know, there's that great truism or, like, cliche even about, like, Sorkin and Fincher, like, social network stuff where those scenes of two people talking can have as much drama as a car chase.

And that's kind of industry's MO.

Like, people talking is violence.

Language is violence.

Language is action.

And we're pretty bold and obvious about what we wear on our sleeves.

I think you can really see a lot of these sort of disparate influences all over the show.

And we like to leave the fingerprints on it.

Like, we draw from Mad Men, we draw from The Sopranos.

A lot of the needle drops this season are direct lifts from Mad Men.

We almost feel like those two shows are kind of in conversation with each other.

That's what we, we had a proper set.

We didn't enjoy fighting so much that we never did it again.

But David, it's a commitment.

I mean, you said marriage.

It's like, it is a marriage and like anything in life that's worth doing and is good is a commitment.

I think we know, look, we've been best friends.