Konstantin Kisin

But this is a really interesting bit.

So when they were doing Thriller, he went to Quincy Jones, who was the producer, and he said, Quincy, I want to do Billie Jean.

And you know what Quincy said?

He went, Michael, it's because they made 112 songs and then cut it down to, I think, the 12 or whatever it was on the album.

He went, Michael, I don't like it.

I don't think it's strong enough.

So those two were having arguments about whether Billie Jean was strong enough to go on the album.

Wow.

So that not only tells you how strong that record is, if you put on that record and listen it from beginning to end, it's a flawless record.

It's a masterpiece.

You know, there's no filler.

Every track stands on its own.

But the fact that Billie Jean was a point of contention, and it's arguably the greatest pop song ever written.

Yeah, that would be like Hart.

We do a version of that.

What's also interesting about Jackson's career is that MTV at the time, that was when MTV was starting to reach its peak, early 80s.

And they were saying that they wouldn't play a black...

artist because the moment they played black artists, they said ratings would go down, viewings would go down, people wouldn't like it.

And the person who really broke through and proved that black artists could be hyper successful on TV in the mainstream

on a supposedly white inverted commas channel was Michael Jackson because he was completely undeniable.