Konstantin Kisin

And her argument is not so much ideology, it's what happens when you have women becoming dominant in institutions and imposing their values and their mindset onto those institutions.

So, for example, the idea that you talked about at length already in this interview about, well, the immigrants or the minorities, they can't put it for wrong because they just need protection and looking after.

Her argument is, well, if you kind of see

vulnerable people effectively as babies, then that is how you're likely to act towards them.

Is there any truth in this?

Does that make any sense to you?

Well, I think there's also another thing that maybe you could say does code more masculine, which is a lot of it, from what I see, is you talk about the male character in your book who's sort of pacified and contented, and also for the women as well.

But ultimately, within every human being,

There is the desire for a cause, to be contributing something of value, to stand up for what is right.

All of these things still exist.

And also the desire to have status that corresponds with that.

I think a lot of progressives look to the previous generation of people who fought for certain rights.

And absent any other meaning in their life, that is what they're trying to emulate.

So when you go and get shot by an ICE agent while, quote, unquote, defending immigrants, not quite, in my opinion, what they're doing, there is an attempt to seek greatness as part of that, is what I see as well.

There is a huge sense there that you are doing something important and willing, through your own stupidity, to put your life on the line and, frankly, also, objectively speaking, to go down in history.

there is a huge difference between these two things lionel and i think this is comes down to uh creativity versus destruction right what you've done is you've written a great book now people might read that book and say i disagree with the views that are implied by the plot and the story lines here but they won't deny that it's a well-written book if they've got any sense to them

Creating a good book is a hard thing to do.

It takes skill, it takes practice, it takes the willingness to have people write negative things about you and deal with that emotionally.

None of those things are easy.

Going to a protest and putting yourself in harm's way, in some ways you could argue is courageous, but it's not hard.