Konstantin Kisin

And if you, again, are in those formative vulnerable years where you're 14, 15, and you learn not to interact with people, and then you become dependent on the simulations.

And so I think the pandemic just really...

It tore everything apart that was already fraying.

Yeah.

Yeah, and this is the issue with a lot of the mental health advice now is it's about affirming and validating your struggles.

So if you're... I was so socially anxious when I was young.

And the worst thing that could have happened would be me joining like a social anxiety Reddit forum or like following social anxiety influencers.

Because typically they'll say things like, you're different from just shy people.

So shy people will struggle to speak on the phone or to be in big groups.

Socially anxious people, it will cause a panic attack.

It will cause something much more severe.

And you're feeling it on such a level that it would be unmanageable.

And when I was 14, I would have been like, yeah, that's me, the worst one.

But then they say, oh, you know, it will be too overwhelming for you to try and do these things.

And then you, unfortunately, girls co-ruminate with each other.

So they bond through talking about their problems over and over.

And a Reddit forum is like a rumination machine where you're all there to ruminate.

And so you have socially anxious people saying, this awful thing happened to me.

Don't ever put yourself in this situation.

And you have people avoiding.