Konstantin Kisin

It's very unfashionable for people to talk about having kids from a positive perspective.

You go and watch stand-up comedians talk about their kids.

most of them will be very negative about it.

And likewise with everything else that you're likely to be exposed to.

And I don't think that's a balanced perspective on the issue.

I think it's helpful to remind people what a joy and a pleasure it is while also being difficult and expensive and all the rest of it.

No.

And I think, you know, I always try and be very careful talking about this issue because these are very sensitive things for people, but those are not good odds.

No.

If you were to say we're going to gamble a very important decision in our lives on something and there's a 33% chance of success, you wouldn't think that's a good bet, really.

And I think that's really vital.

I completely agree with you.

I think we should have someone on to talk about the reality of fertility, partly because I think certainly when we talk to people privately, we meet a lot of people now who are our age or a bit younger or a bit older, frankly, who either...

are kind of in a desperate situation or who've missed the boat.

Yeah.

And it's something that a lot of women in particular find very difficult to talk about because once it's no longer going to happen, that's, I mean, it's got to be an awful place to be.

And so I think, I guess what I would say is that there's just not a lot of conversation to reflect a much larger underlying reality.

I was thinking about this the other day with politics.

Like,

You know, it's funny, the impression you would get about the range of acceptable political opinions in the country is totally not what it is based on what you see in the media.