Kourtney Kardashian

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Oh, hello.

I've been waiting to come down to Wonderland.

I was like, being a mom?

So I felt like becoming a mom again really ignited, like intensely ignited my motherly role, my motherly instinct, and I feel like my feminine energy ignited. Remember, I would always send you videos.

About feminine energy. And I feel like it intensely ignited that feeling inside me of just, I am a mom. I had a strong desire to not work and stay home and be with the kids, which is, I would say, probably like once a week, I'll

work just today this is today okay this is yes thank you and it's not like the whole day it's you know hours yeah it's like a couple hours of my day and then the rest of the time i'm truly at home and I'm, you know, being a mom.

maybe the stuff. I would want to have the best lotion or the best oil or whatever. And now I just use organic coconut oil. I keep it pretty simple.

And so you're like, I need everything. I had things before, but I remember like when mom would try to stress me out about the room or be like, it's not even painted. And that's when I said people had babies in caves. It just like gave me peace to know it's okay. Whatever it is, as long as I have a boob and, you know. You have two of those. Whatever.

And one thing I guess we did differently, I did differently this time is – And I've always shared a bed with the other kids, but I share a room. We share a room with Rocky.

Oh, like do this.

And I think it started more from just space in the house, you know?

I think it's really not separating for as much as possible in the first definitely three years. It really helps, I think, nurture their attachment, secure attachment. And it's actually, it's just even without knowing that, I remember I read the attachment parenting book before Penelope. But it's kind of just what my instincts say. Like I lean towards and it's like what they tell me to do.

Has Kim been to Wonderland?

I feel like just my motherly instincts.

I thought one of them that was interesting was like, how do we do things differently?

As like mother. Okay. As the mother role. And I feel like I was thinking about it because first I'm like, I don't know what Chloe does. I have no idea.

Oh, I was just going to say that you- are very scheduled.

And very scheduled and planned out throughout the whole day, like activities, outfits, all the things, bedtimes, food.

Well, we have a general time, but we're not definitely as babies. We had no schedule. Rocky doesn't really have a schedule, but he has a general thing. But if it's like some days, like today we got up at 7, made breakfast for the kids, and they got out the door. And then I noticed he was so tired at around 8.30. And so we nursed in bed and he went to sleep.

Yeah.

No, I could just tell. But so then today I have no idea what nap time would be. And like, it's okay. We're just kind of go with the flow. And also with the attachment style parenting, I hold him for his naps.

The whole time. Wow.

I think Saturday.

Yeah, he's like 23 pounds.

Once he took a nap for like five hours and-

In a sling or just free balling this? No, like I'll sit in our little chair. Okay. Usually in the room. And then... That's great. I still have my little breastfeeding pillow.

And then he'll kind of lay on there, but my arms under. And then I have a little radiation blanket that I put over to like protect from EMFs for phone use or...

And I have that little sticker on my phone too.

I was curious. I don't think so.

Well, I think even just how I'll do like extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping.

No, but it's also what it wasn't possible.

Like a lactation consultant.

I think you were stressed out too.

I read something recently that said if you do things the opposite of how you were raised in certain things, like in certain areas- That you're healing yourself. You're healing that wound of things that you didn't get that you needed.

Oh, I did. I wasn't breastfed. I'm saying as a child.

Are you like, are my kids going to remember that?

But I think it's- Subconsciously? Subconscious. It's like an instinct inside of me that's like, I didn't, with Mason, I breastfed for like 14 months. I wasn't thinking like, whoa, I wasn't breastfed. So I'm going to breastfeed this long. It's just, I think like what makes you happy. I think it's a feeling inside of just like, or just an instinct or intuition.

That was the first time I read that was recently of that sentiment. And I just thought it was interesting.

I think it's that connection or like co-sleeping or like that I don't leave for extended periods of time. What are your issues with mom?

Some days I've thought like, wow, this is really hard blending families. But even in the days where it's hard, there's so much more love. It's such a deeper, richer existence, you know? I think living authentically is not conforming. I will like nurse the fever of my kids versus giving Tylenol or Ibuprofen. Like I love to just go against the grain. So I don't do Botox.

No, I don't have issues.

Well, no, I don't have issues now. Now I feel like I can ask her questions. I even went to visit MJ recently. And just out of curiosity, because I feel like it's good for us to know our just even family, how our family did things before us. Just more from a curiosity standpoint, I was asking MJ, like, how did you do things? Did you breastfeed? Did you have help? What did she say?

She said she breastfed. Forgot how long she told me. And then I asked, but I need, I recorded it actually. Nice. But then I asked her like, did you co-sleep? Where did the kids sleep? Did they sleep in their own room by themselves? It was a very different time too.

There's days when everyone's home and everyone has friends over. And then there's days when No one's home and it's Travis and I and the baby.

I'm not asking to judge. I'm just asking to know.

So if she says no. And then I was asking mom too, when we went to lunch the other day and I was asking her like, what did they do? Did you have a monitor? Did, was cry it out like a thing? She said she did. They had sound only. Sound only. Yeah, she said that she had a sound only monitor. And I said, was cry it out a thing at that time? And she said, She would try, but she would always cave.

And I was thinking, after how long was I sitting there crying alone in a dark room? Oh, my God. But I think I had resentment about certain things even before I ever started therapy. And then I think as... maybe the first year or so on my start of my therapy journey, I would have certain resentful feelings, which already existed. It was just kind of like working through them.

And then I think finally getting to the place of either if there's actions that happen that I don't love or agree with, just to not take them personally.

or even feel the need to like correct them or, you know, have a conversation about every little thing with balance because I also just don't want to keep it in for and it keeps happening and then I like explode or something. I think it's good to thoughtfully say something if it makes you feel a certain way. But yeah, to now just being able to be like,

curious about how things were done but not really judgmental because we're all just on a different journey path i love that it's interesting though i always hear the thing too how kids could grow up with the same parents and the same household but they're so different but it's because they get a different version of you because you're at a different place in your life you know more you're

Just a different person. But I think I love our traditions. Love our traditions.

I mean, the balance is nice, but I think him and I love when everyone's home. We had family dinner last night. We have family dinner every Sunday, and there were four of them at dinner. I remember when we first would do family dinners, I would try to be like, okay, who are you bringing? Yeah. So we can set the table and make sure we have the table set for the right amount of people.

Oh, like people think that that's how I got pregnant.

Yeah, a year after stopping IVF.

And he conceived naturally on Valentine's Day. We conceived naturally on Valentine's Day.

12 midnight.

Well, no, I love that he obviously wanted his birthday to be November 1st. But I my lesson from IVF was that. it really felt like it was going against me, against physically, spiritually, mentally, everything that I believed and felt. It just felt like it was going against what my body wanted. And so it didn't work for me at all. We never made an embryo through IVF. It also felt like

And then it's just like Travis would say, but we don't have to know. Just let it flow. You would be like, I need their name. I'm making a name tag.

a monthly negative, almost like rejection every time it would be like, it didn't work or, you know, this isn't happening and your body's doing this. It was like someone negatively talking about my body to me every month after month. And then- you almost start to feel that way about your body. Like I can't do this or, you know, whatever.

So once I let go of all of that, it's almost like certain fear-based doctors that kind of are like, ah, you need to do this. Cause I don't know. That's kind of what was happening. So once I was able to let go of all that and just trust in God, it happened.

I feel like people are always surprised. They'll be like, what? You witches? Yeah, I get that all the time.

Yeah. You do? I read, like I have like a daily devotional that I read. I've been trying to ask some of our friends out that live near us to do a Bible study, which I think would be amazing for the adults.

I feel like we both are, and I feel like we say prayers together when we're like, you know, when there's something coming up. I mean, I say the kids' prayers every night. If there's something that they might be anxious about at school or something, you know, we'll pray in those moments, pray before flights or travel together as a family.

And I'm like, so now we set the table. for the whole amount, which I think is 12. Like the amount of the table.

I don't know. What do people think about our relationship?

Really? It's probably either about kids stuff.

Yeah.

So one thing that was surprising also is being a mom of four or seven. But yeah, mom of seven. Obviously, all my kids deserve my energy. But just of being like, how do I prioritize here? Because like I said, I want to be with the baby as much as I can. But then if one of the other kids need me and if it doesn't make sense to, you know, sometimes they need one-on-one attention.

Yeah, that sits at the table. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Yeah, it's 12. We set the table for 12 and whoever comes, comes. There's been times when it's been Me, Travis, and Rocky. Just you three? Just us. Oh, my gosh. And the table's set for everyone, and no one else can make it. But it's usually everyone and some friends.

And so I found sequencing. Like putting things in order of importance has really helped me.

That's a good way to think of it. Because even with activities, like mom said to me the other day, and I love challenging the things that she will come to me with, but she was like- Chloe's son does all these activities every single day, blah, blah, blah, like naming the whole thing.

I also don't like the comparing because that always just makes you... Well, also I said to her, I said, you know, it's also... And this is not for your son because he's three. But when the kids get older, I said it's not great to like fill... Overschedule. Right, overschedule or fill too much of their time with...

scheduling because they also need time to just chill I agree with true I pulled back some for activities I don't like over scheduling yeah I was trying to figure out how to balance with all the kids and I felt this need to drive them to school in the mornings and then I started talking about it thinking about it and then I was like is it important to you guys like I said today for example would you rather me drive you to school in the morning or go to your game and it was go to the game

So then I was like, it's okay. Then I can spend the morning with, you know, Travis and Rocky. And then I can go to the game this afternoon. And then I can, you know, figure out. It's like each person getting their own time. Yeah.

There's a lot.

I mean, the days in Miami were fun. So fun. More fun than the days in the Hamptons, I would say.

Yeah, in a hot summer when no one was in town.

Just like the era where it felt like you and Kim were like the tables turned and you and I would gang up on Kim for so long. And then it felt like the tables turned. So you didn't like both eras?

But then later, once you and Kim would gang up on me and I was the sensitive one, I think it was once I started therapy. And then once... I would kind of started challenging the ways that we did things sometimes, like the way that we just all functioned. No, I know that era and I hated it too. And so I think that now it's just.

Well, I feel like I love to just go against the grain.

I think living authentically is not conforming to whatever it is. And whether for me, it's like there's so many ways. There's ways like we function as a family that it's like if someone does the same thing every day. Like I do it with everything. It's not about our family. Like let's say the school system. I'll think, why do kids fucking go to school? Truly. It's so dated.

But I remember just thinking, can't we do things that are just the family, like family trips or any of those?

So then I'll start thinking, and then my kids will send me videos about why do kids go to school? It'll be really successful people, and they'll be like, my kids... never go to school and they're never going to and whatever. And then I'm like, okay, what's the goal here? You want to do homeschool? Let's do it, you know, or whatever it is. I'll just, I think it's anything.

I will like nurse the fever of my kids versus giving Tylenol or ibuprofen. Like I just like want to, to do that. And whatever, whatever it is, there's so many things like that, where I feel like I kind of do maybe in the world, the generally maybe does more what I do. But in the United States, it's Kimberly.

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But I remember we would also do things like when we would go to Vail for Thanksgiving and go skiing, we weren't allowed to bring friends.

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I kind of did. Of course you did.

But no, it's obviously such a blessing. And I love that people resonate with it and that it's fun to

And when we would go to.

No, for real. You're going to talk about sending things? No, sometimes you send really long text message answers and I'm like, who has the time? First of all. If anyone here has you on text, I'm sure they know what I'm talking about. But you're very thorough in your response. And it's not- So God forbid I'm thorough. No, it's not a bad quality. But sometimes I'm like, dude, we get it.

If Kim will send something to the chat, you'll be like, Kim, this is absolutely the most fantastic thing I've ever seen. And you know, whatever.

Probably. And also people would do things with their own families for Thanksgiving. Or when we went to Hawaii, we weren't allowed to bring friends. It's a nice idea, but I've grown a lot in the way of just being able to be like... It doesn't matter. Whoever comes to dinner, it's going to be, it's like I let go of a lot of the need to almost plan or maybe it's even have control.

Yeah. I get it.

I think that's honestly it.

I think sometimes you'll just, like, look... At me with like just judging eyes. Like you'll just be there like kind of judging.

Judging away. Okay. It's not today's mood. It's a certain mood. Okay.

No, it's just kind of like, oh. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a little.

Really?

So I don't do Botox.

I feel like my third eye is open. Courtney. And so I feel like my intuitions are very awake.

Yeah.

With no other facial expression.

Maybe that's why they stand out so much.

There's nothing else moving, just the eyes.

kind of what i said on the chat the other day i said i will always push the envelope or push a little against what you guys are not always if i feel it and then i'm just gonna give a little thing to maybe sprinkle a little thinking dust aren't you happy that i added you back to that chat because then i said take me off if you

Yeah.

Especially when Rocky was even smaller, the chats are overwhelming when I'm like.

She probably has us restricted.

Well, Kylie hasn't responded in longer than that, so.

Because mom made the same dinner every night for like years. And I was like, no more spaghetti. I need something else.

I guess. But I mean, it's I don't know. And then I would say, I wonder if it was that same pasta, you know, the pasta that she makes the pasta peppers, or the pasta primavera.

Yeah. I was like, no more pasta primavera.

This was great.

I don't know what it is, but I've let go of that a lot to just be like the table set, whoever comes, you know, comes. And for trips too, I'll be like, everyone's invited. Yeah.

But I've grown to be that way through the experience because if I held on to it or let things like that bother me, which I used to, I'd used to be like when it was family dinner, well, why can't you tell me who's coming? I don't get it. Why, you know, why can't I would ask Travis, can you tell me who's coming of the kids and I'll see who's coming with the younger kids or whatever.

And then I just was able to let it go.

Well, I love my role as stepmom because I don't feel like it's up to me to discipline. And so we've kind of allowed each other to, we'll talk about it and then, you know, he can handle the harder things. I definitely give advice to, or try to be a good, I guess, role model or even just how they say modeling is the best way to kind of teach your kids more than just saying certain things.

So I feel just hopefully being a positive influence or an example and we have lots of good conversations and we laugh and I feel like it's in the best way I can be there to be supportive or really in any way that they want me to be for as much or as little as they want, you know? And so I do think also having the relationship that we've had for so many years.

I was friends with Travis and the kids for longer than we've been together, you know?

So I think having that history definitely helped. And I used to think too, going into it, oh, there's, there's we have such a good foundation that it would just be seamless. But some days I've thought, wow, this is really hard blending families.

I feel like my third eye is open.

still know like where's my role like let me test boundaries and I think that's very normal but for you you're probably like wait I thought we were good and you are well and I think about yeah also I think it was hard for all but we moved out of our house that we had lived in you know for the kids whole lives and then Moved in there and then sharing space, which we did slowly.

We stayed, I think, a year and a half separately but married but living a block away from each other. So I think that was really a helpful transition.

But even once you're then living together, there's things you don't even think about, like moving things in the pantry or, I don't know, just little things that you don't think about. And again, that's where I've had growth because I would think, okay, take a deep breath.

It's okay if the fridge is a mess because there's some days 25 people going in there and looking for something or grabbing something. Now I've gotten it to such a good place. But I remember just,

So everyone is in such different phases, but even in the days where it's hard, there's so much more love. There's so much, it's such a deeper, richer existence. You know, when we first got married, they said it takes four years to get on the same boat together as a family, as a blended family.

I got married in May.

So my anniversary is coming up and it'll be three years. That's crazy. So it said it really truly takes four years to feel like you're all on the same boat and you're truly a family and like doing this together. You're almost there. Right. One year left.

But I remember... At the times when it didn't feel that way or it feels like it's like your squad versus my squad or, you know, we do things this way and you do things this way or whatever it could be.

I think doing it each our own way for so long and then coming together and being like, okay, now what's our way? How do we do it? Because I'll be like, but this is how I do it.

Right. What's our new way now? What's the way? So I think it's like finding your way and then... Do you have tips for people that are blending families? I'll always think of it like this. what is my, what am I supposed to learn from this and grow from this? Say it's one specific thing. I'll be like, okay, how do I learn and grow from this moment?

Or, you know, we're two people with two brains that have different opinions sometimes. So how do you Each express your side and be heard. How is it good enough, you know, for everybody kind of thing. If I laugh about something and don't take it so seriously, it's kind of like a choice.

Well, no, I don't mean like laugh at them. That is just uncomfortableness of just like laughing because I don't know what else to do. But this is like having a choice to be like. Oh, it's not that big of a deal. And just kind of like, not like laugh it off if it means something to you.

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Yeah, don't sweat the small stuff. But also, I mean, have a sense of humor. I don't want to give specific examples, but if a teenager did something that's like what teenagers do. Right. And instead of being like, I'm not the role that has to make it a big deal. So I feel like I could just be like, oh my gosh, that was, thanks to myself, that was actually kind of funny and smart and whatever.

Okay, so that wasn't my experience.

But maybe that's why it became your experience.

So grateful for that for you. Really? Yeah. Tried to be dad for you? Well, not dad, but tried to be controlling and bossy and would tell me certain friends can't come over and would like...

Or I think about too with Denise.

And I love her. Shout out Denise. And I still have a relationship with her. And I think about what an amazing example she was to all of us. She taught us so much about being young ladies at the time.

She didn't do that for me, but...

With knowing table manners or whatever it is.

No, I wish that I did that. But maybe I was just older, so maybe she was able to teach us.

So, yeah, I think having that really positive experience with Denise really – helped me too. And I think.

Well, yeah.

So weird that you had such a different experience. I think it's because you were younger. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I'd be like, I want to call my dad. And then he would like hang up the phone. We would have yelling wars.

Not even know.

Thank you. It was fine. That's why I moved into dad's.