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that it almost seems like this unobtainable thing. And there's a certain amount of judgment. So I think it's really important to note and really make it clear that physiological birth is a lot of things. The definition changes based off of who you are talking to. And I think that mothers, what they should take away from this is that you should do what is best for you and your baby.

If that means that you said you didn't want an epidural, but you're 30 hours into your labor and you're not progressing or whatever, and you just need that epidural, get the epidural. There are options for you that can make labor and delivery easier for you or still get you to the mode in which you want to birth. And sometimes that doesn't happen, right? Sometimes we don't get what we want.

If that means that you said you didn't want an epidural, but you're 30 hours into your labor and you're not progressing or whatever, and you just need that epidural, get the epidural. There are options for you that can make labor and delivery easier for you or still get you to the mode in which you want to birth. And sometimes that doesn't happen, right? Sometimes we don't get what we want.

If that means that you said you didn't want an epidural, but you're 30 hours into your labor and you're not progressing or whatever, and you just need that epidural, get the epidural. There are options for you that can make labor and delivery easier for you or still get you to the mode in which you want to birth. And sometimes that doesn't happen, right? Sometimes we don't get what we want.

And I think that there's this really big emphasis right now on satisfaction versus safety.

And I think that there's this really big emphasis right now on satisfaction versus safety.

And I think that there's this really big emphasis right now on satisfaction versus safety.

This is something that really bothers us. My therapist, my OBGYN, my insert medical professional, is not in these support groups I'm a part of on Facebook. They're not friends with me on Facebook or they're not direct messaging me on Facebook.

This is something that really bothers us. My therapist, my OBGYN, my insert medical professional, is not in these support groups I'm a part of on Facebook. They're not friends with me on Facebook or they're not direct messaging me on Facebook.

This is something that really bothers us. My therapist, my OBGYN, my insert medical professional, is not in these support groups I'm a part of on Facebook. They're not friends with me on Facebook or they're not direct messaging me on Facebook.

What seems to be really common practice here is these professionals being in these groups that consumers use to get advice or even need to get recommendations on midwives, and they patrol those groups. And when someone tells their story in one of these groups to just warn other moms, other midwives will get on that post and they will make comments about it.

What seems to be really common practice here is these professionals being in these groups that consumers use to get advice or even need to get recommendations on midwives, and they patrol those groups. And when someone tells their story in one of these groups to just warn other moms, other midwives will get on that post and they will make comments about it.

What seems to be really common practice here is these professionals being in these groups that consumers use to get advice or even need to get recommendations on midwives, and they patrol those groups. And when someone tells their story in one of these groups to just warn other moms, other midwives will get on that post and they will make comments about it.

invalidating someone's lived experience, but also it's unethical to sit there and patrol what should be private safe spaces for these moms. There's just a lot of crossing in ethical, patient, provider relationships. There's not a whole lot of regulation there.

invalidating someone's lived experience, but also it's unethical to sit there and patrol what should be private safe spaces for these moms. There's just a lot of crossing in ethical, patient, provider relationships. There's not a whole lot of regulation there.

invalidating someone's lived experience, but also it's unethical to sit there and patrol what should be private safe spaces for these moms. There's just a lot of crossing in ethical, patient, provider relationships. There's not a whole lot of regulation there.

So if your midwife wants to call you and text you and harass you about you posting your story online, telling people about it, there's nothing really to stop them from doing that. Dr. Clark, did you want to add to that?

So if your midwife wants to call you and text you and harass you about you posting your story online, telling people about it, there's nothing really to stop them from doing that. Dr. Clark, did you want to add to that?

So if your midwife wants to call you and text you and harass you about you posting your story online, telling people about it, there's nothing really to stop them from doing that. Dr. Clark, did you want to add to that?

Thank you so much, Tiffany. And thank you so much, Dr. Clark, for being here today.