Kristin Demoranville

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Bites and Bytes Podcast · Agroterrorism & Cyber Threats: How Farms Are Under Attack · 4 Mar 2025 podcast

So the government's paying attention to it, which is good. Or governments, I should say. We're a global audience here. But do we have the right skill sets? And how do we get people to understand that this isn't just about necessarily protecting data? It's about safeguarding lives and livelihoods and food safety and security, which is a national global concern, honestly.

Just curious what your thoughts are on that.

Fair point, fair point. And do you think that, and as I was listening to all of you talk, I was thinking about how stereotypically the agriculture community is very distrusting. They like to work with their own, they stay to their own. And now we have this external threat that's coming in that's making them be more scrupulous.

They have to think more about who's around and who's in their environment. But yet we are trying to break into different places. And I shouldn't use the term break in, but I did. And break in and have trust with these people to have them understand that technology is not as evil and daunting as it has to be. As long as you put safeguards in, you'll understand it.

And there's people that are here to support you. How do we play the trust game here with agro-terrorism?

I'm assuming at some point there's probably going to be more of a formal verification that you could be like, do you have a blue check? Do you have the little red truck that they use in England? And, you know, those kind of things. Maybe at some point we'll have something like agro safe. I don't know.

I'm just making things up now because it's such a big thing that people need to know on the fly if this is going to be trustworthy or not and not spoofed and not deep faked or any of the other terms that are out there. I do have a question because we're talking a lot about this. Are there been any other notable agro-terrorist incidents?

Let's just dive into that a little bit because I want to dissect a couple of them and how it happened, what happened, and how we can prevent it moving forward. And whoever wants to answer that's fine.

Absolutely. So going back to my original question, thank you for that, Andrew. Is there a specific scenario that sticks out in your mind that you're like, yeah, I'm never forgetting that one. It's the one I will always go to. It is an example of agroterrorism.

Absolutely. I mean, I'm sitting here and I because I've been in cybersecurity and operational technology for a long time, most things surprise me anymore. Most of the stuff you just said surprised me. Like I, I am, I am shocked and I know how bad humans can be, but like, wow, like that's a, that's a whole other level of.

First of all, I feel like there should be like a therapy hotline running on the bottom of our screens right now because that is a lot to take in. Yeah. In my small little world of what I do, that is this is it's almost like you need to have a security operations center just for this, just to watch people.

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All the details and links are in the show notes. Let's level up together. Does it come down to education a lot that people just don't understand the food system and how food is raised and grown and how it's produced?

Is it really come down to just a lack of education and awareness of why people flip the switch and become crazy and want to take down a system they don't even understand in the first place?

How do you even go about figuring this out? I mean, how do you manage risk on this?

That's great, Mike. I really appreciate all of that. And it's good to hear that the insurance companies care in your quotations. No, no, it's good. It's good that, you know, we're still working through it and it's organic and people are working through that motion and we're still an evolving situation. So that's good to hear that they're trying to take a proactive stance on it as much as possible.

So that's. That should give a little bit of comfort as you're going through these horrible things, I suppose. I had a thought while you were talking, Mike, and in conjunction with everybody else. I have a lot of cybersecurity professionals who often come to me and they ask, what can I do to get involved in food and ag? Short of like, you know, working at a food and ag company. What can I do?

I live in a rural area. I live in an agricultural area. And I always say volunteer your time. Volunteer your time. You know, if you want, you know, go talk to your local farmer if you've created some trust there. But moving forward, what can we do as a cybersecurity division, if you will, and especially the ones that handle more operational technology? What can we do?

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