Kristin Demoranville

That's not out of normal, but we definitely represented for our respected industries. And I do think that it brought up a lot of really interesting conversations, you know, in the hallways. And I certainly had some weird interactions I didn't expect and some really amazing ones at the same time.

That's not out of normal, but we definitely represented for our respected industries. And I do think that it brought up a lot of really interesting conversations, you know, in the hallways. And I certainly had some weird interactions I didn't expect and some really amazing ones at the same time.

And we created the most complex system on the planet. The food system is one of the most complex systems that we still don't have a full understanding of and still figuring out how it breaks and what happens when it breaks in certain places and how it overflows in other places. And it's very complicated.

And we created the most complex system on the planet. The food system is one of the most complex systems that we still don't have a full understanding of and still figuring out how it breaks and what happens when it breaks in certain places and how it overflows in other places. And it's very complicated.

And especially when you add more tech to it, it really gets kind of out of control if you think about it. And people are still reactive. They're not proactive. And I think that's what we're trying to constantly say, like, let's do these things so we can be resilient when something happens, whether it's a foodborne illness or a cyber attack or a nation state attack or any of that.

And especially when you add more tech to it, it really gets kind of out of control if you think about it. And people are still reactive. They're not proactive. And I think that's what we're trying to constantly say, like, let's do these things so we can be resilient when something happens, whether it's a foodborne illness or a cyber attack or a nation state attack or any of that.

And I really I love that that rang true throughout the whole panel with all three of us because we're all aligned in that regard.

And I really I love that that rang true throughout the whole panel with all three of us because we're all aligned in that regard.

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Visit bsidesics.org for tickets, speaking opportunities, and more. Also, if you were planning on attending S4 in Tampa, it's the day before. Check out the website, and hopefully I'll see you there. Not changing subject, but sort of moving into a little bit of a different direction. Andrew, you discussed how farmers and agribusiness can be resistant to tech.

Visit bsidesics.org for tickets, speaking opportunities, and more. Also, if you were planning on attending S4 in Tampa, it's the day before. Check out the website, and hopefully I'll see you there. Not changing subject, but sort of moving into a little bit of a different direction. Andrew, you discussed how farmers and agribusiness can be resistant to tech.

What are some ways that tech providers or the government or anybody who works in that space can help make cybersecurity more accessible and appealing to small and medium sized farmers? The larger farmers are probably having that handled by their conglomerates. But what are we doing about, you know, the farm down the street from any of us?

What are some ways that tech providers or the government or anybody who works in that space can help make cybersecurity more accessible and appealing to small and medium sized farmers? The larger farmers are probably having that handled by their conglomerates. But what are we doing about, you know, the farm down the street from any of us?

No, understood. Understood. I just did a talk recently at an ICS conference, industrial control security conference. And I had a gentleman stand up and said, unless it's regulated, I'm not putting security around my product. And everybody was really like, whoa, I can't believe he stood up and said that. But to me, he was being real. Why would he do that if he was not regulated to do that?

No, understood. Understood. I just did a talk recently at an ICS conference, industrial control security conference. And I had a gentleman stand up and said, unless it's regulated, I'm not putting security around my product. And everybody was really like, whoa, I can't believe he stood up and said that. But to me, he was being real. Why would he do that if he was not regulated to do that?

So product security is a really complicated thing, ultimately.

So product security is a really complicated thing, ultimately.