Kristin Demoranville
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first heard Jun 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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And to have something that happens that you have no control over or you feel like you have no control over, it makes a person kind of half crazy. One of the best trains I ever got, George, honestly, I don't. I've had tons of technical training over my, say, over 25 years now.
The best training I ever got, aside from all the leadership training, aside from everything, I was culturally trained how to handle random scenario situations that were emotionally charged inside of different cultural environments. And I'm talking about country environments. I'm talking about work environments. I'm talking about industrial environments.
And I learned so much and I actually went through two rounds of it. I went through like the advanced level as well. And I just remember absorbing this like I was this like kid in school again and just really loving it because it resonated so heavily with me because we need to do that kind of work inside of cybersecurity.
But the problem is, and you know, there's two George said, if you go to speak about this at a conference or you go to pitch it as an abstract, people were like, what does this got to do with anything? This doesn't make any sense. Why would anybody want to talk about this or learn about this? And I feel like the industry is hungry for it. I feel like they want to know.
And I also think that it's important to be able to serve and protect our communities because crises, as I've learned recently, are really about the community level. It's not about like the big picture because the community is what's affected. And how do we serve better if we can't even manage our own community? But these are my little journeys.
They probably like kernel. I don't want to talk about popcorn or kick in or something, you know.
Hey everyone, just a quick break to share some exciting news. We've hit a major milestone, 5,000 downloads. Thank you so much for your support. Also, the show is still up for the Women in Podcasting Network Awards of 2024 in the technology category, and your vote would mean the world to me.
Please don't forget to cast your vote by October 1st. The link is in the show notes. Let's keep bridging that gap between cybersecurity and the food industry together. Now back to my conversation with George.
I do think there is an interesting movement in the food industry to focus on some of the softer skills though. I'm thinking about like the regenerative ag farms like Vital Farms and Muffin Greens and not to call out brands, I usually don't, but two examples of companies that are taking the most of tech and also educating consumers on what's going on in their companies.
And they're very transparent and open about it. I think that people will be more willing to spend a little bit more if they knew where their food was coming from and how it was prepared and what steps are being taken to protect it around all these different aspects and avenues than if it's just whatever. But I also think about the imbalance of our food supply in general.
Cheaper to buy a hamburger at McDonald's than it is to buy three apples or whatever it is now. I think that we've got that kind of layer of crazy town as well to deal with. There's too many factors in here. And then if you chuck in the food safety aspect, how we're basically one breath away from some kind of foodborne illness at all times. It's kind of insanity to me.
So it may not be as weird as you think.
This is my opinion of that. And I am not a scientist working on this. I want to make this very clear, but it's probably being moved around by humans. So example would be if you walk into one facility and then you walk out and you go to another facility, you're probably taking that contaminant with you.
Recently, I was rereading some food safety training brief because I was curious what they were saying about this particular industry. And one of the things that jumped out at me, which is like such an aha moment, but yeah, that's like a dumb thing. Don't come to work if you're sick and you work in food. That makes sense to me. And I never thought about actually calling out.
Yeah, please stay home. We don't, we don't, nobody wants to get sick. I think we all kind of learned that lesson in a really different way because of the pandemic, for sure. Regardless of where you sit on the spectrum of conspiracy around it, we all know that germs are past because humans touch things. We get them. We're taught that very young anyways.
So I think part of it goes into this aspect as well with the contamination of all the food lately. I think everybody keeps asking me like, why do we have such listeria poisoning? Like all this E. coli, what's going on? And I said, you have to follow the trail, literally. You have to think about it in that, you know, holistic sense of where does it come from? And how is it moving? What are we doing?
What are we not doing? And I think this is this is the part that scares me is because if that system's broken, how how exploitable is that? You know, that's what keeps me up at night is knowing we're a breath away from some type of foodborne illness because somebody, whether it's a nation state or some jerk, just wants to mess with our food.
And I have sat in labs, George, ICSOT labs and watched people. production lines being manipulated and you didn't even know what happened.
Literally, lights didn't change, it looked like everything was running fine, but yet on the output later on when you're watching the forensics data, it shows what they did, changed the pH by blah, blah, blah, and you have an entirely new product in front of you that hit the shelves and could hurt people. This is what, this is when I feel like, and I'm, this is again, a little bit conspiracy.
So just everybody bear with me. I don't think that security as a whole, cybersecurity as a whole is going to really take up notice on what's going on in the food industry until something really catac, like a catastrophe happens. Cause we are definitely the bandwagon group of. all this traffic happened and everybody all of a sudden has an opinion and is an expert on it.
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