Kristin Demoranville

And especially if you're doing food defense investigations or any type of food safety investigations, you will have probably at some point have to look at an SBOM just to understand what happened with the software if it ended up being some type of a cyber physical situation.

And I think that's super important to be able to know where that is and be able to work with the people who can probably translate it for you because some of it won't be overly, as you say, easy to read, basically. Yeah. if some of it will be a little bit more daunting. So being able to work with those teams and knowing which teams to go to is important, too.

And I think that's super important to be able to know where that is and be able to work with the people who can probably translate it for you because some of it won't be overly, as you say, easy to read, basically. Yeah. if some of it will be a little bit more daunting. So being able to work with those teams and knowing which teams to go to is important, too.

And again, this goes back to having a strong third party management team that is actually knows your business and what you're doing. And that's that's super important. You know, you touched on this a bit, Mark, that we isolate a lot inside of our different silos, of course.

And again, this goes back to having a strong third party management team that is actually knows your business and what you're doing. And that's that's super important. You know, you touched on this a bit, Mark, that we isolate a lot inside of our different silos, of course.

And I think it's really frustrating to me that a lot of times when you work in certain aspects of security, you actually don't even really understand what the company is doing or what they are. Are they a manufacturing company? Are they an entertainment company? Are they a food company? Or what are they?

And I think it's really frustrating to me that a lot of times when you work in certain aspects of security, you actually don't even really understand what the company is doing or what they are. Are they a manufacturing company? Are they an entertainment company? Are they a food company? Or what are they?

And I think it's super important, especially within food safety culture, that you identify and make sure everybody understands that we are making food, we are a food company, but we also are a food manufacturing company, as an example. And I know that seems really stupid to say, but people forget.

And I think it's super important, especially within food safety culture, that you identify and make sure everybody understands that we are making food, we are a food company, but we also are a food manufacturing company, as an example. And I know that seems really stupid to say, but people forget.

People forget what they're doing because they get so isolated into, I am running the numbers and accounting and finance, and I am the HR person. I'm just dealing with people. And I think some people forget the main mission is good, safe food for all, full stop. And as long as everybody goes to that beat of that drum, it runs smoother. Trust and believe. It really does.

People forget what they're doing because they get so isolated into, I am running the numbers and accounting and finance, and I am the HR person. I'm just dealing with people. And I think some people forget the main mission is good, safe food for all, full stop. And as long as everybody goes to that beat of that drum, it runs smoother. Trust and believe. It really does.

And people are like, oh, Christian culture. Oh, it's this whole, you know. Yeah. All right. Get over it. Like it is. This is what has to happen. I would like to continue eating safe food. I'm sure Mark would like to feed his family and eat good too. Yeah. And if it comes down to that, you have to actually start really working hard to make SBOMs easier to deal with for food. Yeah, do it.

And people are like, oh, Christian culture. Oh, it's this whole, you know. Yeah. All right. Get over it. Like it is. This is what has to happen. I would like to continue eating safe food. I'm sure Mark would like to feed his family and eat good too. Yeah. And if it comes down to that, you have to actually start really working hard to make SBOMs easier to deal with for food. Yeah, do it.

It's it's not a problem in that regard. It's just the again. And everybody's like, oh, no, it's probably too daunting. Again, boil the ocean. Don't do that. You know, make the tea. And you've created a platform that makes tea. It doesn't boil the ocean. which is great.

It's it's not a problem in that regard. It's just the again. And everybody's like, oh, no, it's probably too daunting. Again, boil the ocean. Don't do that. You know, make the tea. And you've created a platform that makes tea. It doesn't boil the ocean. which is great.

And I really appreciate the fact that you've put it in common language and you really have kind of formed up that common language for people so they understand what it is and what it isn't, which is what regulations are supposed to do, right? Automove is a great example. They created a language set that everybody can speak to. Now you're creating a language set for SBOM, so it's not so daunting.

And I really appreciate the fact that you've put it in common language and you really have kind of formed up that common language for people so they understand what it is and what it isn't, which is what regulations are supposed to do, right? Automove is a great example. They created a language set that everybody can speak to. Now you're creating a language set for SBOM, so it's not so daunting.

Granted, we have the worst acronym, I think, out there. It's okay. We'll just, we're going to roll with it. I mean, I'm sure there are worse ones out there. And if you heard any acronyms on the show today that you were like, what was that? Don't worry about it. It's fine. I honestly, you can Google it if you want, but don't worry. It's, it's, I can't even keep track of all of them either.

Granted, we have the worst acronym, I think, out there. It's okay. We'll just, we're going to roll with it. I mean, I'm sure there are worse ones out there. And if you heard any acronyms on the show today that you were like, what was that? Don't worry about it. It's fine. I honestly, you can Google it if you want, but don't worry. It's, it's, I can't even keep track of all of them either.

And all of the government acronyms too, on top of all the security ones and the IT ones, it gets a very yikes. And then the food industry as a whole has a ton of them as well. So as humans, why are we doing this? Why do we, why do we do this to each other? Cause this just creates confusion. Yeah.