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Is it called the line?

No, we don't.

But there is there's a lot of change.

So I'm going to keep coming back to hope for this because there is a lot I've seen a lot of it.

So I've actually been sponsoring Northeastern graduate class for a few semesters with my good friend, Dr. Darren Detweiler, who's also been a guest on the show.

He is a food safety expert, but he teaches environmental social governance classes, so ESG classes.

And what I've been doing with these graduate students is we assign a region, and each one of them picks a country out of a region.

There's predefined, so it's not like everybody.

That would be a lot for me to manage.

And we add a cybersecurity lens onto it.

Now, none of them are cyber.

Some of them might have a cyber degree.

Some of them do not.

A lot of them have policy or their foreign policy or something like that.

But having them look at different regions and countries

And from a cyber lens, it's been super fascinating.

So like, where's your point of failure?