Kyle Paoletta

You know, talking about we encountered all of these tribes, and then that leads to one of the survivors who is an enslaved man named Estabanico or Esteban, who allowed the Spanish to survive because he actually was kind of a polyglot. He was able to communicate with all of these tribes, and because of that skill, he actually

You know, talking about we encountered all of these tribes, and then that leads to one of the survivors who is an enslaved man named Estabanico or Esteban, who allowed the Spanish to survive because he actually was kind of a polyglot. He was able to communicate with all of these tribes, and because of that skill, he actually

Estabanico ends up leading the next journey north out of Mexico, where he accompanies a friar whose name is Marcos de Niza, who they encounter the Pueblo of Zuni, which is in today's western New Mexico. which is a somewhat... Basically, they kind of expect a certain amount of tribute. The people of Zuni are not impressed with them. They chase them away.

Estabanico ends up leading the next journey north out of Mexico, where he accompanies a friar whose name is Marcos de Niza, who they encounter the Pueblo of Zuni, which is in today's western New Mexico. which is a somewhat... Basically, they kind of expect a certain amount of tribute. The people of Zuni are not impressed with them. They chase them away.

Estabanico ends up leading the next journey north out of Mexico, where he accompanies a friar whose name is Marcos de Niza, who they encounter the Pueblo of Zuni, which is in today's western New Mexico. which is a somewhat... Basically, they kind of expect a certain amount of tribute. The people of Zuni are not impressed with them. They chase them away.

But he comes back telling a story of this city made entirely of gold, that the walls are made of gold. And so there's some thought of like, oh, did he see the Pueblo architecture in the sun and like... It looked kind of golden. But that sort of sets off this rapacious conquest, which you see throughout the history of Spain's colonization of Mexico.

But he comes back telling a story of this city made entirely of gold, that the walls are made of gold. And so there's some thought of like, oh, did he see the Pueblo architecture in the sun and like... It looked kind of golden. But that sort of sets off this rapacious conquest, which you see throughout the history of Spain's colonization of Mexico.

But he comes back telling a story of this city made entirely of gold, that the walls are made of gold. And so there's some thought of like, oh, did he see the Pueblo architecture in the sun and like... It looked kind of golden. But that sort of sets off this rapacious conquest, which you see throughout the history of Spain's colonization of Mexico.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that sense of people visiting and becoming enraptured with it and then wanting to bring more people, that continues. And after Guadalupe Hidalgo, you have the first wave of Americans coming to the region and realizing it's very ripe for colonization.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that sense of people visiting and becoming enraptured with it and then wanting to bring more people, that continues. And after Guadalupe Hidalgo, you have the first wave of Americans coming to the region and realizing it's very ripe for colonization.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that sense of people visiting and becoming enraptured with it and then wanting to bring more people, that continues. And after Guadalupe Hidalgo, you have the first wave of Americans coming to the region and realizing it's very ripe for colonization.

You mentioned Jack Swilling, you have the first kind of entrepreneurs who come to Albuquerque and El Paso, and yeah, it follows right through to the 21st century. Exactly. And certainly once you get into Las Vegas, which we can talk about as kind of the ultimate example of this chasing a dream in the desert. Exactly.

You mentioned Jack Swilling, you have the first kind of entrepreneurs who come to Albuquerque and El Paso, and yeah, it follows right through to the 21st century. Exactly. And certainly once you get into Las Vegas, which we can talk about as kind of the ultimate example of this chasing a dream in the desert. Exactly.

You mentioned Jack Swilling, you have the first kind of entrepreneurs who come to Albuquerque and El Paso, and yeah, it follows right through to the 21st century. Exactly. And certainly once you get into Las Vegas, which we can talk about as kind of the ultimate example of this chasing a dream in the desert. Exactly.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think when you get into the last part of the book is when I sort of turn from a very historical eye towards thinking about the world as it is now and how it is changing because of the climate. And I think the Southwest has always had these problems with water scarcity and

Yeah, absolutely. And I think when you get into the last part of the book is when I sort of turn from a very historical eye towards thinking about the world as it is now and how it is changing because of the climate. And I think the Southwest has always had these problems with water scarcity and

Yeah, absolutely. And I think when you get into the last part of the book is when I sort of turn from a very historical eye towards thinking about the world as it is now and how it is changing because of the climate. And I think the Southwest has always had these problems with water scarcity and

but has, because of the extremity of the environment there, has come up with some solutions and some strategies and ways to cope with it. And certainly the construction of massive reservoirs is the primary way that they have been able to build these enormous cities But now we've sort of seen the limit of that, and so we're beginning to have to think about, okay, how do we live more sustainably?

but has, because of the extremity of the environment there, has come up with some solutions and some strategies and ways to cope with it. And certainly the construction of massive reservoirs is the primary way that they have been able to build these enormous cities But now we've sort of seen the limit of that, and so we're beginning to have to think about, okay, how do we live more sustainably?

but has, because of the extremity of the environment there, has come up with some solutions and some strategies and ways to cope with it. And certainly the construction of massive reservoirs is the primary way that they have been able to build these enormous cities But now we've sort of seen the limit of that, and so we're beginning to have to think about, okay, how do we live more sustainably?