Kylee Dennis

And once it goes for that length of time, the psychological impact is far more difficult to get them away.

Yeah.

Okay.

Because you've got to look at they are now so invested in that.

They are in a relationship in their mind.

They are.

Yeah.

You know, I've got a lady in Western Australia and she's taken a loan out and it doesn't matter how much I prove to her.

She's not going to listen.

She's not.

There is no way.

This is just – so then it becomes an issue where family have to, you know, get involved and start taking, you know –

control over finances and that becomes then there's another family you know what I mean there's another issue because this can go on for such a long time and they lose so much money and people don't actually understand and I'm not going to use the word clever how manipulative scammers are yeah they use words work

You know, we can say the most hurtful words and break somebody down just with words, you know, not with violence.

And that's what they use.

They use the power of words.

Absolutely.

That's right.

Yeah.

And that's their skill set.