Kylee Dennis

She'll stand on top of a rooftop and talk about it now.

And that's why it works so well.

100%.

And I think the problem we've got there is the way family and friends initially speak to the victim of this crime.

Instead of going in there with a bit of empathy and understanding and compassion, we tend to go in there and say, no, you're an idiot.

So we use negative language, which then causes the victim to retreat because the scammers are telling them, don't believe what your family say because they're liars.

Yes.

It's a slow process.

And it is something that you need to be there to support them through this process.

Because when we talk about the way a scam, and anyone who's evil, because scamming is evil.

Anyone who has that skill set to be able to deceive another human is evil.

So they have manipulated you and used tactics to be able to take you into a different world.

So our language towards a victim of a crime has to be quite specific and understanding.

And we've got to use...

I use a little bit of manipulation, you know, in the kind way, not the evil way, to try to get the victims away from the offender.

And that's what it is because they have put you into this whole different world of belief.

100%.

Yeah.

I was so excited and then I was cranky that it wasn't real because I said, oh, I'm sick.

Yeah, I was so excited for it.