Lael Stone

But it's very different to punishment.

I think also with the no was always backed up as a why.

There was always a why.

hey, we don't think it's a good idea for you to do this because of this and this and this.

It wasn't just a flat out, no, you listen to me.

It was always an open conversation about it, which then led to us being able to talk about how that felt for us too.

Should we go through the times where you've fallen Swifties?

No.

You all do.

It's part of being a teenager, right?

You see what you can get away with, you know, and I think the big thing is Dad and I would catch certain things and we knew when it was really important that when push comes to shove, we were going to be there and we were dealing with what was going on.

And there were little bits and pieces you were doing of pushing boundaries and stuff.

So that's just to, you know, tell parents.

It's not a, you know, you have to still find your edges and what you needed to do.

But I think what I really wanted to instill in you is that when things were not okay, where you're at a party and it was dodgy, like when you rang me at four in the morning and said to me, do you remember?

You remember?

I get the phone rings at 4.30 and Tali just goes, mum, please be the parent that you say you are.

What's the first thing you said to me?

And I was like, yes, where are you?

And you're like, we're at a place.