Larry Birkhead

Like, you know, like, you know, and, and, um, you know, it's like, you're rolling around in the bed and you will,

turn this way, you know, like who, you know, like, you know, you, you, you look up and there's a pop art painting of like J Howard Marshall and you turn over the other way, you know, put your arm around it.

That'll get anybody's minds quivering.

And like you turn around and put your arm around on the other way and you're knocking off like a picture of J Howard Marshall on a wheelchair where, you know, it's like, that's got like, you know, this whole thing on our, like a, um, this tribute thing on our, our nightstand.

honestly, there's so much, you know, like that she said privately that I've got, we're working on some things that are coming up that like are going to come out of that.

But I will say to this in general, like basically that she, from what I thought about her relationship with him is that, and I'm speaking about this from like my perspective.

I felt like that,

I was held to that standard of J. Howard Marshall.

And I felt like that...

in some ways, not the ways that you might think, you know, or maybe so, but like, she felt like that he was a saint and he got her, like you said, out of a situation.

So it wasn't like, oh my God, I was lusting over this, you know, 90 year old man.

It was like, he helped me out of a way.

Like, I don't know that like, and you like, I feel like you can relate to this in so many ways because you know, like when you, like you said, your experiences and things that you've dealt with, but

I think she was just trying to survive.

And this guy comes along and can help you get out of all this stuff.

You don't have to take your clothes off.

You don't have to talk to these people.

You don't have to do, you know, crazy dances, you know, and all this stuff.

And, you know, you're literally at, you know, Harry Winston's buying jewelry and all this other stuff.

And this is a totally different thing for her.