Larry Donnelly

And I also should say, there's a moral dimension to this.

Because when we talk about anti-Semitism in Ireland, one of the things we haven't done a good enough job of, in my view, is listening to the lived experiences of the very small Jewish community in this country.

I've heard all of Asiyah's, and I think this program and others,

And you can actually hear the pain in his voice when he talks about how he feels in the past couple of years.

So I think we need to do more to amplify these voices.

If we were talking about any other community, we'd be talking about what is their lived experience.

I think too often here the debate is shut down by saying, look, we're anti-genocide.

We're opposed to what's happening in Gaza.

We are not anti-Semitic.

Case closed.

And I think that if you listen to the lived experiences of people like all of us here, they will tell you something different.

So we have both this moral issue here at home, but we also have the perception problem in the United States.

Yes, that's what's happening.

That's exactly it.

That's, you know, look, the Israeli lobby, and look, I put it on the record, I abhor what's going on.

I find it revolting at every level imaginable what happened in Israel's grossly disproportionate reaction to what happened on October 7th.

I think Netanyahu is a war criminal who belongs in prison.

That's my personal view.

But at the same time, I do worry about the perception that is growing in the United States about attitudes in this country.

Well, here's the tricky thing.