Larry O'Gorman

And it just couldn't get through.

The crowd was incredible.

And eventually when it got almost to the sideline of the Hogan stand, I heard two people crying and turning around.

And who was it?

My two sisters crying.

And I gave my sister the ball to hold onto it for me.

And I just moved on.

And I gave him a hug, and naturally he gave him a hug.

But it was amazing, though, after walking through a crowd of maybe 5,000, 6,000 people, and you just happened to meet your sister, the same girl that just a couple of weeks before that, that you walked out on her wedding day to go training with the boys.

It worked out well in the end.

But you were just saying, sorry, about Clare winning in 1995.

I know now that Liam Griffin and I had a good chat with Gerlach Nan.

and more or less said to him, what did it take for you to win the All-Ireland?

They had a good meeting among themselves because, as I said, when we went back to Hotel Rosslier, sorry, Furry Carrick Hotel, the following week for this new sit-down meeting and the year going forward, when I looked at the chartboard, we all looked at each other naturally.

It was about the training, the Kilkenny match, the Dublin match.

He kept on flicking these pages.

over and over where we're going to go and I said how is he able to think so far in advance it was this thing that he was trying to get into our head that we're well able we're well able to do this if we believe in ourselves and of course Niamh Fitzpatrick was the sports psychologist so she played a massive part in terms of getting us focused getting us right for every game before we went out you know not to look on the downside of losing but on the upside of winning and winning creates good habits

Well, sitting down at the meetings, we would have had training and we would have had meetings and Liam Griffin and the boys would have went over and over and over again, the possibility of winning everything.

I don't think losing really came into it too much because, as I said, Niamh Fitzpatrick, the sports psychologist, would say...

It's all about believing in winning.