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Larry Sanger

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And then P in GASP stands for progressive.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And well, I guess that doesn't really need a lot of explanation.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

more or less know what that means.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

There are lots of examples that you can give on all of these points.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

But a good recent example is something that I would call progressive is the Gaza genocide article.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

In this article, in the first paragraph, if you read it over, you will see that Wikipedia claims in what's called WikiVoice, in its own voice, that Israel committed genocide in Gaza.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

does not represent, even to attribute to them, the Israeli view on the subject.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And so it's clearly biased against the Israeli point of view, which is also held by a lot of Americans.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

I see.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So I'm not saying that it's incorrect.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

I'm not saying that Gaza didn't have a genocide.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

I'm simply saying that it's an obviously biased article that just buys from the very title because a lot of people dispute the idea that there was, in fact, what is properly called a

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

a genocide in Gaza.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Well, they probably refer to some primary sources in the sense that they are attributing opinions to the people who hold them.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

But they tend to, by policy, use secondary sources, right?

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So rather than

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

you know, directly pointing to a copy of a UN speech or whatever, wherever the opinion might have been, you know, published, they will talk about a news story in the New York Times or something like that.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So they prefer secondary sources because they are more carefully vetted, I suppose, than the original.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

It's actually...

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Um, it's very problematic, but we can read it here if you like.