Larry Sanger

Yes, yes.

I think the way to fight back is to require an identified leadership, right?

So don't allow them to operate in the shadows.

Right.

That the people who have the most responsibility should be required to take real world responsibility.

Well, not necessarily letting them decide.

People can still decide for themselves.

But the idea is that...

I actually think a good place to begin would be with an LLM, which has been trained to be perfectly neutral.

And of course, people can make and adopt a free version of an LLM and then negotiate about exactly what the prompts should be and that sort of thing.

And then, yeah, and then the rating then would be reasonably useful, I think.

I won't go into the details why I think so, but I've tested it.

Yeah.

Yes, often that's the reason.

Sometimes it's just because they're cussed and they don't like somebody and they just say, get rid of them and they're gone forever.

And yeah, it's a big problem because it is a way for the inner circle to exclude people that they don't like who are not falling in line.

Exactly.

So, throughout its history, Wikipedia has had a very...

slow method of making any sort of changes.

There have been changes, but they tend to be very incremental.