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Larry Sanger

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651 total appearances

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Again, in your explanation of what such an article was saying,

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Up to you actually talk about the intentions of the author.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Right.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And what I'm saying is true of a neutral text.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

You don't even consider the authors at all.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

In other words, you literally don't take a side.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Now, there is such a thing as the Overton window, I suppose, and you cannot talk about literally every potential or actual view on any question that comes up because there's not enough space.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So you actually have to be selective.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Right.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Nevertheless, you know, journalists especially and good encyclopedia writers are trained and actually they're experts.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

They actually understand because they have to think about these things whenever they write how important it is to essentially not just weigh sides equally but explain each position.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

But sympathetically, the best journalism, right, about problems actually makes a real attempt to sort of get inside the skin of everyone that's involved in a controversy.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So, now, if you want to say, for example, that an article about the shape of the Earth should just rule out the flat Earth theory, and so it's sort of out of the Overton window or something like that.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Or if you are, I don't know, editing an English encyclopedia and you don't think there is such a thing as a right to bear arms, right?

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Then that would be out of your Overton window.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

But then what you have to say is the...

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

The encyclopedia might be neutral within its bounds, but it has bounds.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And therefore, to that extent, it is actually biased.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And I'm comfortable saying that.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So there are degrees of neutrality.