Larry Schweikert

I think it was in the summer of 15, 16, 15, I think, and when I was in prison.

What was it that you and Mike Allen – as you sat there, I think you were at the University of Dayton at the time, correct?

Yes.

Yes.

And was Mike at Dayton also?

He was a professor.

Where was he?

Where did he teach?

Mike was at the University of Washington, Tacoma.

We met around 1990 at a Western historical convention, then didn't meet again in person until after the book had been out for almost a year.

We wrote the whole book by phone and by email at that time.

So that in itself made it kind of...

kind of interesting and by the way the book is correct me if i'm wrong if it's not the best-selling history book we've ever had it's one of the top two or three best-selling histories that have ever sold in the united states

Well, of course, Zen's book, People's History, is probably the bestseller of trade books only because so many college classes picked up Zen's book.

However, I did learn that our book, Zen said this, that our book outsold his in his first 10 years versus our first 10 years, which is

kind of interesting.

Now, once he got picked up by all of the college faculty, he began to take a lead over us.

But Patriots History of the United States does very, very well for a 1,000-page comprehensive textbook.

As you and Alan looked at the way American history was taught at the college level, what are the two or three things in your book that

that are different than most things.