Latif Nasser

I was just... I don't know that we are ready to say there's one magic line.

Thrown back to this conversation that I had with Leonard Saltz, where he was saying that

we have to look at everything in terms of value.

You need to think deeply about the kind of life you want to live.

It's not just about how many days, it's about what kind of days.

So if you told me that there was something that gave 72 days survival benefit, but it makes people feel nauseous for most of the time, is that worth it?

When we're trying to draw this line as a society, before we figure out what we're willing to pay, we have to think about what we are paying for.

Yeah, I don't think we know what... For Susan, six years ago, she decided that she was going to get chemotherapy because, in part, it would be more time with her daughters.

Yeah.

And suddenly, it's worth it.

For now, Susan's cancer is basically under control because she's on this new drug.

Producer Molly Webster.

And now for the thank yous for that piece, we want to thank Stephen Hall and we want to mention Susan Gubar's book called Memoir of a Debulked Woman.

And thanks also to Dr. Atul Gawande for all his help and his latest book.

Which is really, I really thought it was wonderful.

It's called Being Mortal.

Yeah.

And thanks also to Nikki Haines.

And to Glenn Blomquist.

Radiolab will continue in a moment.