Latif Nasser

$490 per hectare.

And then there's habitat provisioning.

The list goes on and on and on and on.

You do get kind of obsessed with it.

You start becoming an accountant and writing down numbers just furiously.

There's this galling element, though, or this aspect, like when I first came across the

At this point, our producer Tim Howard jumped into the interview, and you'll also hear our producer Soren Wheeler in just a second.

I do feel like in an example like the salt marsh, which cleans water, that's all reliant on people being there that need the water.

So if you didn't have people there, does that salt marsh cease to have any value?

But Tim, haven't you ever had a conversation with somebody who just doesn't get, like if you make the aesthetic argument, which is that nature should be preserved for its own sake, there's a whole category of humanity that just doesn't respond to that argument.

This becomes a way to talk across the aisle.

But it does still feel like it demotes something of infinite value to something of a piddly value.

It can't really be infinite value.

You don't think your mother's love is priceless?

I mean, you know.

Because shrimp farms need lots of seawater, so it makes sense to put them by the sea.

Is that a hypothetical situation?

This is Glenmarie Lang.

She's an environmental economist for the World Bank.

And she says very often she finds herself in exactly this kind of conversation.