Laura Bambrick

But again, if you go back and look at 12 years ago when universal credit was being rolled out, they're exactly the same reasons that, you know, it was the same language that has been used.

But the real, it's often used, the devil is in the details, but in this case, it will definitely be around what will the minimum income threshold be set at, ensuring that those rates aren't frozen over time, that they increase with inflation, that they increase as wages increase, and getting those safeguards built into the system.

So in moving to this, it will be ensuring that we don't build in hostages to fortune at another time.

But we'll definitely enter this.

We'll hold our endorsement at the moment until we see the full details.

But we will be going into this with an open mind, but not saying that we have yet to be convinced that there is the need for such radical reform.

people currently saying that they're underemployed according to the figures last week.

This change is only going to be beneficial to at most 20,000 because the vast, vast majority of those 130 aren't eligible for the payment because

because of means testing.

And it's means testing based on all of the income going into the household, not just what you, the worker, are earning.