Laura Dowling

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Isn't it?

Yeah.

And actually, just to be really clear, because I know Caroline, you were a little bit worried about if we do happen to talk about autism in this podcast, that you are worried that you could maybe offend anyone in the autism community with the language that you use or the way you're expressing it.

But it's really important that everyone knows that this is your lived experience.

experience, you're new to it all as well because your son has only recently had a diagnosis and we're absolutely not out to offend anyone or upset anyone.

We're just talking about your story and maybe it'll help someone else.

Wow.

And then when you're out in public with him, do you get people that will be not understanding the situation and feel that they're looking at you and judging you or...

So when you're asking him to put on his shoes and if he didn't want to, it wasn't just a normal toddler reaction to not want him to put on his shoes, he'd freak out?

No.

But he'll let you do it then.

Yeah.

Not that he doesn't want to do it.

It's not that he doesn't want them on.

It's that he will let you do it.

And even, you know, if it's trying to get them to do something, because you do ask your kids to do stuff all the time.

So it'll be like, I wonder if you'd like to put on your shoes, that type of language.

Fuck me.

It does sound exhausting.