Laura Dowling

you know, she openly said, it's disbelief.

We were meeting with countries, ambassadors, senior civil servants, ministers, and we were saying, what is the issue with the text that we have here?

And they were handing us pieces of paper saying, well, this article is wrong and this article is wrong.

And she said, but where did you get that information?

That's not what we're voting on.

And it was organisations, the likes of CFAM, that were sharing information

spewing, creating chaos, similar to what we see rolled out on screens right now with the Trump administration, in my eyes.

And then you end up with chaos.

And then we had the likes of US, Egypt.

The US was the only country to vote against.

Egypt, Nigeria and a few others abstained.

And to say that after 70 years for the first time in 2026, access to justice for women, they couldn't find a consensus.

Do they give a reason why?

From a technical side, again, again, sorry not to bore, but I think sometimes the nuances are really, really important for people to understand, particularly women.

So you end up, they start debating and negotiating this text or this piece of paper, which is about 15 pages in October, November of last year.

And the US administration didn't come to the table with any issues until late February 2020.

And then on the midnight before the Monday, so the Sunday night before the Monday of the vote, they tabled these eight amendments.

And when you say table the amendments, do you mean... They submitted these eight pieces, these eight lines to say, if these are not in it, we don't agree with this text.

And then, so it's funny actually, because you hear language around the culture of convenience, the culture of negotiating is just completely faded.

So you would have...