Laura Krantz

And I was like, who is this man?

I need to know more.

So that's really how I learned about Grover and kind of how I got sucked into this this world.

I admired his confidence because he was like, this is what I'm interested in.

This is what I want to pursue.

And I don't give a rat's patootie what anybody thinks about me, which was pretty amazing.

There's like one video of him where he's like pasted a Cro-Magnon brow, like a big thick brow ridge onto his own face.

And I think he carved it out of like foam rubber.

and was walking around outside on the campus at Washington State University where he taught.

And he was trying to figure out what the evolutionary advantage of having a big brow ridge like that would be.

And I can only imagine what people must have thought about him.

as he's like walking around campus with this thing like pasted to his face.

But I spoke to, you know, during the process of doing this podcast, I spoke to people who had had him as a student, either undergrad or graduate student, and they loved him.

They just said he was such a great teacher and he was, you know, all the things you mentioned where I guess he, you know, kind of arrogant and like very self-assured, but at the same time,

He loved talking to his students.

He loved sharing stories with them.

And he gave them his time and attention, where I think a lot of professors are kind of like, class is over, see you next week.

I let's see.

I think I read that article in like 2006.

So I think he passed away two to three years earlier.