Laura Kuenssberg

And what was your advice to him?

Forgive me, Peter Carroll, you've just told us what he said to you, that he sought your advice, that he was thinking about what was right for the country and the party.

So forgive me for pressing you to reveal what that advice might be.

Well, as if you say, Henry, I think newscasters probably are a smart bunch of people.

They probably don't really need much decoding there, do they?

I mean, that very clearly is a signal that Keir Starmer has decided to go.

Two things are true, right?

And that they might contradict each other in a sense.

It is absolutely plainly true that voters in the last few years have been very cross about the Conservative Party having lots and lots of different prime ministers.

People have thought that was a shambles.

They've thought that was a bit of a fiasco.

It's also true that the country was never in love with Keir Starmer as a leader.

And during his time in office, they have grown to dislike him quite seriously.

So therefore, as we were saying yesterday, as the Labour Party, it's kind of a cost benefit analysis, right?

The risk of changing and having what might look shambolic and that people going, I can't believe you're doing it again.

You promised that you wouldn't do this versus the cost of carrying on with the prime minister that the public don't like fairly or unfairly.

And it's the thing you often hear from Labour MPs, isn't it, Henry?

People go, I don't know why people hate you so much, but you really feel it's kind of visceral.

I think you might have, yeah.

Maybe tomorrow night.