Laurel van der Toorn

And that's kind of a tough one.

And I guess it makes the problem kind of tough to decide whether robots feel that way, too.

That's a new dating red flag.

Are they rude to their chatbots?

Look, AI is becoming more convincing kind of emotionally, even if deep down in the large language model with the graphics cards and these computers firing and crunching the numbers and generating words.

I don't know.

Do you think society will decide these things are empathetic pretty quickly, especially with mental health tools, chatbots that act as therapists?

It certainly is.

A lot of experts think this is nonsense.

Some think this is an interesting question that might not have a straightforward answer.

Well, Daryl, I've enjoyed the chat.

Thanks so much for being on the show.

Oh, thank you so much.

Thanks for the invitation.

Daryl Cameron is a psychology professor at Penn State University.

After the break, a child's laughter, especially with dad, might wire their sense of emotional security.

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I'm here with someone who's done research on this.