Lauren Feiner

But there are other big antitrust cases that are sort of looming, brought by the Biden DOJ.

And I don't know what's going to happen to them.

The one that is particular in my mind is there's an antitrust case against Apple in the App Store.

Apple is not a big bad by Ticketmaster.

Like maybe some app developers think that, and I know Meta thinks that, but I don't know that the average consumer in the average state thinks that.

And I'm not sure the state AGs can hold that one up, right?

There's not as much political capital to run the Apple case to trial if Tim Cook manages to negotiate his way out of it with Donald Trump personally.

We're seeing these big sweeping changes at the DOJ, right?

Gail Slater's out.

Her deputies are out.

This case is settling for pennies on a dollar and some concessions are on the margins.

What do you think happens to cases that are pending like the Apple case?

That presence of corruption in particularly the second round of the Trump administration really colors everything.

Is that having more of an effect across the board on antitrust, do you think?

Or is it just the sense that you can negotiate with this guy directly and maybe you'll have to put some money in the ballroom fund and that's fine?

What would you make of the status of the conservative antitrust movement that we talked about at the start, right, where you did have a J.D.

Vance at Y Combinator events saying Lena Kahn had done a good job, that Andreessen Horowitz was saying we have the little tech agenda and big tech is stifling innovation.

All of that seems to have just gone away.

Is it gone forever or is it going to make a comeback as pendulums swing back and forth?

I'm very curious to see what happens in that broader scheme of antitrust.