Lauren Jackson

And in the process, he found something that was really meaningful to him.

By going through the motions and kind of absorbing...

And reading sacred scripture and with a different attitude, I feel like I have a faith, like a genuine faith in God now.

Lauren, Nick's conversion seems very powerful.

But just because people believe in something doesn't necessarily guarantee that they'll suddenly rush to church or to the mosque or to the synagogue or a temple.

We are now only seeing the numbers level off.

And while that's significant, as you've said, it's not definitive or predictive, right?

There's no guarantee that we're going to see a great rebound in people returning to some established religion.

Of course, and I want to be very clear, we are not seeing a revival of religiosity.

What I am hearing about is a renewed interest or a renewed curiosity in religion.

For example, even chaplains at Harvard tell me that in the last 25 years, they haven't seen this much interest in religion on campus.

We're also seeing religious references appear more frequently throughout American life, and I think that's most visible at the very top of the Trump administration.

You think about J.D.

Vance, who's been very public about his conversion to Catholicism in recent years.

He's publishing a book on the subject soon.

Think about Pete Hegseth, Secretary of War, who is invoking Christianity in speaking publicly about the war in Iran.

So it's a big part of the Trump administration, but it's become a bigger part of our politics in general.

In New York, for example, Mayor Zoran Mamdani has been very frontal and open, and he has been throughout his campaign, about his Islamic faith.

It reminds us that Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, was a stranger too, who fled Mecca and was welcomed in Medina.

He's now in office hosting iftars during Ramadan, and he's praying in public.