Laverne Cox

And now I understand.

And it was actually wonderful just to be, it was wonderful to be away from him.

And I think it was wonderful for him to be away from me so we could just like not be twins anymore.

We could like have our own identities.

It was actually kind of glorious.

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K through 12.

K through 12, yeah.

Even at the art school.

Like it got better junior and senior year, but it was still there.

It felt like at the time needing to express myself.

Honestly, after the conversion therapy, there was...

I had internalized so much transphobia and like ending up in New Orleans wearing a dress was presented to me as the absolute worst thing that could happen to me.

And in my young mind, I imagined I would be on the street and I would be homeless and a person who needed to like do whatever.

Unfortunate things to survive.

So it was presented as something that was the absolute opposite of like the straight A student that I was, the human being that I was who was determined to be successful.

So I didn't wear skirts and dresses until college because I was just like, well, I can't, you know, I internalized I can't wear a dress or skirt.