Lawrence Wright

And, you know, if people say it's a religion, how do you contradict that? You know, it's odd because L. Ron Hubbard, the founder, would say it was not a religion. It was a scientific approach to spiritual enlightenment. But now it's a religion. And with all the protections that the Constitution awards for that.

And, you know, if people say it's a religion, how do you contradict that? You know, it's odd because L. Ron Hubbard, the founder, would say it was not a religion. It was a scientific approach to spiritual enlightenment. But now it's a religion. And with all the protections that the Constitution awards for that.

yeah well it was um so i'm i know i'm like butcher i'm not that's that's sarge uh i'm trying to remember sarge's last name oh yeah sarge the guy who he asked him to get rid of his body or something right when um when he was in his last days when hubbard was in his last days he was this little horse ranch in southern california uh joining kenny rogers ranch um but um

yeah well it was um so i'm i know i'm like butcher i'm not that's that's sarge uh i'm trying to remember sarge's last name oh yeah sarge the guy who he asked him to get rid of his body or something right when um when he was in his last days when hubbard was in his last days he was this little horse ranch in southern california uh joining kenny rogers ranch um but um

yeah well it was um so i'm i know i'm like butcher i'm not that's that's sarge uh i'm trying to remember sarge's last name oh yeah sarge the guy who he asked him to get rid of his body or something right when um when he was in his last days when hubbard was in his last days he was this little horse ranch in southern california uh joining kenny rogers ranch um but um

He was in disguise, he was in hiding, and he was very ill. And he, Fouth, Sarge Fouth, he asked Sarge to make him an E-meter that would actually electrocute him. And this is the way he wanted to go out. And he was living on this little blue bus, blue bell bus. I forgot the name of it. And Sarge was wracked with guilt because he had essentially pledged his life in the service of this man.

He was in disguise, he was in hiding, and he was very ill. And he, Fouth, Sarge Fouth, he asked Sarge to make him an E-meter that would actually electrocute him. And this is the way he wanted to go out. And he was living on this little blue bus, blue bell bus. I forgot the name of it. And Sarge was wracked with guilt because he had essentially pledged his life in the service of this man.

He was in disguise, he was in hiding, and he was very ill. And he, Fouth, Sarge Fouth, he asked Sarge to make him an E-meter that would actually electrocute him. And this is the way he wanted to go out. And he was living on this little blue bus, blue bell bus. I forgot the name of it. And Sarge was wracked with guilt because he had essentially pledged his life in the service of this man.

And so he did make him an e-meter that was essentially tied to an automobile battery. that was just enough to give him a real shock but not kill him but he did die uh you know a couple of months later and was it anything related to that or no yeah it i wouldn't want to say that sarge killed him right uh i think that it was a terrible shock it might have affected something um he was

And so he did make him an e-meter that was essentially tied to an automobile battery. that was just enough to give him a real shock but not kill him but he did die uh you know a couple of months later and was it anything related to that or no yeah it i wouldn't want to say that sarge killed him right uh i think that it was a terrible shock it might have affected something um he was

And so he did make him an e-meter that was essentially tied to an automobile battery. that was just enough to give him a real shock but not kill him but he did die uh you know a couple of months later and was it anything related to that or no yeah it i wouldn't want to say that sarge killed him right uh i think that it was a terrible shock it might have affected something um he was

he did talk he was used sarge as a kind of confessor uh he talked about how he wasn't gonna return and uh that he was gonna circle this star uh for eternity and uh you know he was um You know, it was interesting at that point, I don't think he was talking to anyone else in any way with the same degree of intimacy and sorrow that he expressed to Sarge. I had heard that Sarge had this information.

he did talk he was used sarge as a kind of confessor uh he talked about how he wasn't gonna return and uh that he was gonna circle this star uh for eternity and uh you know he was um You know, it was interesting at that point, I don't think he was talking to anyone else in any way with the same degree of intimacy and sorrow that he expressed to Sarge. I had heard that Sarge had this information.

he did talk he was used sarge as a kind of confessor uh he talked about how he wasn't gonna return and uh that he was gonna circle this star uh for eternity and uh you know he was um You know, it was interesting at that point, I don't think he was talking to anyone else in any way with the same degree of intimacy and sorrow that he expressed to Sarge. I had heard that Sarge had this information.

And I was at this retreat with former Scientologists, and I asked Sarge if he would talk to me. And he was scared and conflicted. It was scary. Of all the people that I talked to, he was the one who actually knew that Scientology had been proved false because the founder had confessed to him. And so it was a very interesting, powerful interview.

And I was at this retreat with former Scientologists, and I asked Sarge if he would talk to me. And he was scared and conflicted. It was scary. Of all the people that I talked to, he was the one who actually knew that Scientology had been proved false because the founder had confessed to him. And so it was a very interesting, powerful interview.

And I was at this retreat with former Scientologists, and I asked Sarge if he would talk to me. And he was scared and conflicted. It was scary. Of all the people that I talked to, he was the one who actually knew that Scientology had been proved false because the founder had confessed to him. And so it was a very interesting, powerful interview.

I don't remember the quote, but he talked about, you know, he disavowed much of what he had said before, that church doesn't believe that happened, but, you know, I got it on film.

I don't remember the quote, but he talked about, you know, he disavowed much of what he had said before, that church doesn't believe that happened, but, you know, I got it on film.

I don't remember the quote, but he talked about, you know, he disavowed much of what he had said before, that church doesn't believe that happened, but, you know, I got it on film.