Leah Litman

Like putting – reminding people of why they didn't want you to run in the first place is not going to help that conversation. So it's just like you have to – if you really truly believe that the work you did was good, then you have to trust history to judge it correctly.

We talked about Donald Trump's ill... Speaking of Joe Biden, we talked about Donald Trump's ill-fated efforts to blame the economy on Joe Biden and why that was a strategy doomed to fail miserably. And we took a bunch of really interesting questions from the listeners, from... It was a great episode. Caroline was amazing as always.

We talked about Donald Trump's ill... Speaking of Joe Biden, we talked about Donald Trump's ill-fated efforts to blame the economy on Joe Biden and why that was a strategy doomed to fail miserably. And we took a bunch of really interesting questions from the listeners, from... It was a great episode. Caroline was amazing as always.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

So I think what is going to happen is the district court proceedings are going to continue to play out. It's likely that Kilmar Abrago-Garcia's lawyers might file a motion to show cause as to why the government isn't in contempt of the lower court ruling directing the administration to facilitate Abrago-Garcia's return. There's always some discomfort with using out-of-court statements.

So I think what is going to happen is the district court proceedings are going to continue to play out. It's likely that Kilmar Abrago-Garcia's lawyers might file a motion to show cause as to why the government isn't in contempt of the lower court ruling directing the administration to facilitate Abrago-Garcia's return. There's always some discomfort with using out-of-court statements.

in court to actually prove them. And so there is going to be some tension with well, do you actually take Trump at his word when he wasn't signing a sworn declaration, or hadn't been administered an oath and take that at face value and use it against him. But I think it's not just that it's the fact that as you say, so much time has passed, they have done diddly squat.

in court to actually prove them. And so there is going to be some tension with well, do you actually take Trump at his word when he wasn't signing a sworn declaration, or hadn't been administered an oath and take that at face value and use it against him. But I think it's not just that it's the fact that as you say, so much time has passed, they have done diddly squat.

And everybody knows that there is an agreement that obviously they have some leverage on.

And everybody knows that there is an agreement that obviously they have some leverage on.

You know, this is some of the difficulty that the Supreme Court, I think, put the lower court in because they told the lower court you cannot actually effectuate the return. That is, you can't specifically order the president to do X, Y or Z. And so that gives the administration some cover to do these antics where they, you know, ping Bukele and say, wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

You know, this is some of the difficulty that the Supreme Court, I think, put the lower court in because they told the lower court you cannot actually effectuate the return. That is, you can't specifically order the president to do X, Y or Z. And so that gives the administration some cover to do these antics where they, you know, ping Bukele and say, wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

Won't you return him? And then Bukele says, no, I will not. And then everyone around us knows what's going on. But it's going to be difficult for courts to say we all know what's going on here. Right. Like they want some direct evidence to kind of prove that. I think there is enough for them to say the administration isn't facilitating the return, but it's going to be a fight.

Won't you return him? And then Bukele says, no, I will not. And then everyone around us knows what's going on. But it's going to be difficult for courts to say we all know what's going on here. Right. Like they want some direct evidence to kind of prove that. I think there is enough for them to say the administration isn't facilitating the return, but it's going to be a fight.

Yes, unless the Trump administration actually gets Mr. Obrego Garcia, as well as the other individuals that other courts have now concluded were wrongfully deported back. There's no reason why their lawyers aren't going to ask the Supreme Court and other appellate courts to get the administration to actually do something.

Yes, unless the Trump administration actually gets Mr. Obrego Garcia, as well as the other individuals that other courts have now concluded were wrongfully deported back. There's no reason why their lawyers aren't going to ask the Supreme Court and other appellate courts to get the administration to actually do something.

That would be ideal. You know, what's taking so long is the Supreme Court created this situation where they forced everyone to use this other procedural mechanism to challenge the Alien Enemies Act. Obviously, you can't use the Alien Enemies Act here. You know, it's not just the declassified intelligence reports and whatnot.

That would be ideal. You know, what's taking so long is the Supreme Court created this situation where they forced everyone to use this other procedural mechanism to challenge the Alien Enemies Act. Obviously, you can't use the Alien Enemies Act here. You know, it's not just the declassified intelligence reports and whatnot.

We can all read and the statute says it applies to foreign nations when there's been a predatory incursion or invasion. None of these things are true here. So...