Lee Kuhnle

But it was the birds aren't real example that scared me off doing that.

Because it was, I think, in 2017 is when the joke starts.

And I remember because I was already teaching this stuff then.

I'm like, this is going to turn, this is going to, like, at some point, the origin will be forgotten.

And last year was the first time in class somebody put up their hand at the opening lecture.

somebody puts up their hand and says, well, what about birds aren't real?

And I asked, what do you know about where this came from?

I don't know.

I heard that the CIA replaced all the birds with listening devices.

I was like, wow, this has happened.

Within less than 10 years, it's gone from a joke to for real.

And I think you can see this over a lot of different kind of conspiracy theories.

You're like, oh dear.

So yeah, anyway, I didn't myself then generate a conspiracy in class because I was like, this will turn bad maybe.

Yeah, exactly.

So Atlantis was a metaphor, or I guess a philosophical kind of metaphor, invented by Plato, the ancient Greek philosopher, to make a point about why Athens was great.

And he basically was using it as a contrast.

Now, Plato...

I like him a lot.

I know there's a lot of problems with his philosophy.