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With that, I bring you Eric Ries.

Eric Ries, thank you so much for being here and welcome back to the podcast.

It's an honor to be back.

Congrats on everything that's happened since I was here last time.

Wow.

Thanks, Eric.

So for people that have been living under a rock, you famously wrote The Lean Startup 15 years ago at this point.

maybe the most impactful, successful founder startup book out there.

And it feels like over this 15 years, if you think about it, it's gone through all these waves of just like, this is correct the way to do it.

And it's completely wrong.

Why would anyone build this way?

This doesn't work anymore.

To, okay, this actually is right.

I was actually just thinking about this as I was preparing for our chat.

It feels like the way the top AI companies are building now is actually

exactly lean startup.

Like I just had the head of product of Cloud Code in the podcast, Kat.

The way they operate.

Okay, we're going to ship the MVP.