Lenore Skenazy

And the vast majority, the overwhelming majority was free play.

They just want to be with their friends.

And then second choice was the organized activity.

And third choice, the distant third was being online.

So I know we all complain like kids are glued to their screens.

That's all they want to do.

Once they get it, it's like heroin.

But but they wouldn't be on them as much if they had an alternative.

So if the if you're if the grandparent is talking to, you know, their child, who's a parent who's worried and they don't want them to be on the iPad all the time and they want to restrict their screen use, which a lot of parents do, understandably, the the phrase that we use of Jonathan Haidt is one of the other co-founders with me of Let Grow.

And he also wrote The Anxious Generation.

And

One of the things we say is if you want to take away the screen, you have to open the door.

So opening the door becomes not just something that I think is good, but it's an alternative to the phone-based childhood that is worrisome.

think everything is stressful at the beginning.

It was stressful trying to set up this camera today.

It's like, oh, this is leaning this way and you look terrible and get closer.

And I mean, there's no such thing as a stress-free existence.

And I think one of the things that has happened to parents is they've been told that their kids shouldn't ever be frightened.

I mean, there's people who are against Halloween because they're scary costumes.

Fear and stress and a little bit of,