Lenval Logan

I think Lou Elizondo described one. There's the story that he talks about, I think Commander Fravor discusses about the torpedo. Do you remember that one? The story is that they were launching torpedoes and... You know, they blew the ballast on the torpedo. The torpedo came up to the top and the divers came to hook the torpedo.

I think Lou Elizondo described one. There's the story that he talks about, I think Commander Fravor discusses about the torpedo. Do you remember that one? The story is that they were launching torpedoes and... You know, they blew the ballast on the torpedo. The torpedo came up to the top and the divers came to hook the torpedo.

And just as they were about to hook it, something very large, like an island, came up underneath them. All right. So I get this weird call. And it's you have to play devil's advocate because when you when you're trying to tell guys that there were they were the observer and you're trying to say, hey, well, you know, it could have been this. Some of these guys get downright angry.

And just as they were about to hook it, something very large, like an island, came up underneath them. All right. So I get this weird call. And it's you have to play devil's advocate because when you when you're trying to tell guys that there were they were the observer and you're trying to say, hey, well, you know, it could have been this. Some of these guys get downright angry.

They're pissed because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on. They were there. You weren't. You know, so you've seen something life changing. Right. So you have to be careful because after a while, nobody will want to talk to you again because, oh, Logan's an asshole because he, you know. So you're very careful. So this guy just sends me this thing.

They're pissed because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on. They were there. You weren't. You know, so you've seen something life changing. Right. So you have to be careful because after a while, nobody will want to talk to you again because, oh, Logan's an asshole because he, you know. So you're very careful. So this guy just sends me this thing.

And I'm looking at it, and I just... Maybe a couple weeks before, I'd heard this story with Fravor and Elizondo. So I'm like, what is this? And there was this... All I can say was there was something very, very, very large moving under the water, but not too far that you can't see it. But it's moving under the water, and it's passing objects that...

And I'm looking at it, and I just... Maybe a couple weeks before, I'd heard this story with Fravor and Elizondo. So I'm like, what is this? And there was this... All I can say was there was something very, very, very large moving under the water, but not too far that you can't see it. But it's moving under the water, and it's passing objects that...

And it's disturbing the water underneath it.

And it's disturbing the water underneath it.

You go out in the boonies somewhere or you go... Like, there's a whole bunch of activity going on around Puerto Rico.

You go out in the boonies somewhere or you go... Like, there's a whole bunch of activity going on around Puerto Rico.

Yeah. There's a whole bunch of activity that is going on, you know, where the Nimitz incident happened, all right? So there's things that we want to verify because you hear stories about things. Like, you've heard of the Baltic anomaly, all right? So the first thing you want to know is... Well, first of all, is it actually there?

Yeah. There's a whole bunch of activity that is going on, you know, where the Nimitz incident happened, all right? So there's things that we want to verify because you hear stories about things. Like, you've heard of the Baltic anomaly, all right? So the first thing you want to know is... Well, first of all, is it actually there?

Once you verify that it's there, you want to know... What's its composition? What's its composition? All those things. There's another thing on there. You can look it up right now. It's called the Cuban Atlantis. It's supposed to be 13 nautical miles west of Cuba, all right? And it looks like there's triangles and everything else there. And I'm like...

Once you verify that it's there, you want to know... What's its composition? What's its composition? All those things. There's another thing on there. You can look it up right now. It's called the Cuban Atlantis. It's supposed to be 13 nautical miles west of Cuba, all right? And it looks like there's triangles and everything else there. And I'm like...

From the moment that thing came out, I've never heard anybody else say, we've been there. We've checked it out. We've verified it. It's there. Let's send a dive team down. The thing on the right there. That's it, yeah.

From the moment that thing came out, I've never heard anybody else say, we've been there. We've checked it out. We've verified it. It's there. Let's send a dive team down. The thing on the right there. That's it, yeah.

Yeah. That's supposedly 13 miles off the coast of Cuba. Well, that's what we want to know. Yeah. We want to verify that. That's crazy. You know?

Yeah. That's supposedly 13 miles off the coast of Cuba. Well, that's what we want to know. Yeah. We want to verify that. That's crazy. You know?

Wait a minute. Is that for real? Why have I never even seen that before? All the other ones I'm thinking are fake, but this one up top right there where the thing is.

Wait a minute. Is that for real? Why have I never even seen that before? All the other ones I'm thinking are fake, but this one up top right there where the thing is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right. That's a good way to put it, Jamie. There's no vibe. Bad vibes, man. There was some people doing something coming across the water. Puerto Rico UFO. And they saw it. So could it be that the Caribbean- We analyzed this one. Yeah. The Caribbean's hot. Oh, wow. And there's something out there. Skip ahead.

Right. That's a good way to put it, Jamie. There's no vibe. Bad vibes, man. There was some people doing something coming across the water. Puerto Rico UFO. And they saw it. So could it be that the Caribbean- We analyzed this one. Yeah. The Caribbean's hot. Oh, wow. And there's something out there. Skip ahead.

Yeah. That's very weird. Even this one, we've looked at it.

Yeah. That's very weird. Even this one, we've looked at it.

But it just went right in the water. The two things that stick out about this. That's what's nuts is it goes in the water. It does. There's no rooster tail. It's going fast in the water. Yeah, there's no rooster tail that comes off it. And the other thing is at one point near the end, it actually looks like it splits in two.

But it just went right in the water. The two things that stick out about this. That's what's nuts is it goes in the water. It does. There's no rooster tail. It's going fast in the water. Yeah, there's no rooster tail that comes off it. And the other thing is at one point near the end, it actually looks like it splits in two.

Yes.

Yes.

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James Fox did ask me to pass you something. He said if you could put out a shout-out to anybody – that has information on the Varhenia stuff because he's found some new information and he needs to start corroborating it.

James Fox did ask me to pass you something. He said if you could put out a shout-out to anybody – that has information on the Varhenia stuff because he's found some new information and he needs to start corroborating it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my biggest question, anytime someone brings up NHI aliens, my first thing is, which one? Which one? Because they talk about it as if it's one entity. Oh, they did that. Oh, they did this. But when you break it down, we're hearing some like us and want us to evolve. Some don't like us and want us to kind of...

So my biggest question, anytime someone brings up NHI aliens, my first thing is, which one? Which one? Because they talk about it as if it's one entity. Oh, they did that. Oh, they did this. But when you break it down, we're hearing some like us and want us to evolve. Some don't like us and want us to kind of...

Pull back. And they want to control certain things. So I'm like, well, which one? And then they look at me with that deer in the headlight and look like, oh, I don't know.

Pull back. And they want to control certain things. So I'm like, well, which one? And then they look at me with that deer in the headlight and look like, oh, I don't know.

However, we could be the greatest show in this part of the universe. I'm sure we're a great show. I mean, imagine when we talk about the things with the nuclear bombs where the missile silos, they started counting down or whatever. Maybe it's like, hey, hmm. Let's see how far they'll go if we do this.

However, we could be the greatest show in this part of the universe. I'm sure we're a great show. I mean, imagine when we talk about the things with the nuclear bombs where the missile silos, they started counting down or whatever. Maybe it's like, hey, hmm. Let's see how far they'll go if we do this.

And everybody gets all excited. And then I was like, OK, we're just kidding. We'll turn it off and go from there.

And everybody gets all excited. And then I was like, OK, we're just kidding. We'll turn it off and go from there.

And we protect the turtles in that one little area that EPA says, oh, no, you can't mess with those turtles.

And we protect the turtles in that one little area that EPA says, oh, no, you can't mess with those turtles.

But if we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon Musk says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, that's huge.

But if we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon Musk says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, that's huge.

It could be better than Red Bull.

It could be better than Red Bull.

That's a war right there. That's a war right there. People are going to be like, how come they have it? We don't. Right. There'll be water wars.

That's a war right there. That's a war right there. People are going to be like, how come they have it? We don't. Right. There'll be water wars.

Or maybe they really do pass by and keep their doors closed. And locks. Right.

Or maybe they really do pass by and keep their doors closed. And locks. Right.

So along those lines, it's those things that you talked about, those are the things that inherently make us human.

So along those lines, it's those things that you talked about, those are the things that inherently make us human.

Those are the things that inherently make us human. So the question would be – Depending on which NHL you're thinking about, what inherently makes them them and how compatible are we in what we're looking at? Because those could be some of the things that attract them to us or detract them away from us.

Those are the things that inherently make us human. So the question would be – Depending on which NHL you're thinking about, what inherently makes them them and how compatible are we in what we're looking at? Because those could be some of the things that attract them to us or detract them away from us.

And there's no bones there, so... You know, you're not going to find any fossils anywhere. Yeah. But if you think about some of the things that we're being told now, 99 percent of all life that lived before is all gone now. Right. So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there.

And there's no bones there, so... You know, you're not going to find any fossils anywhere. Yeah. But if you think about some of the things that we're being told now, 99 percent of all life that lived before is all gone now. Right. So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there.

There's something similar because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's a draconian or if it's a mantis. They're all standing upright. So is that a part of the grand design that is as intelligent as you get further up the food chain?

There's something similar because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's a draconian or if it's a mantis. They're all standing upright. So is that a part of the grand design that is as intelligent as you get further up the food chain?

You start to stand on your two legs and whatever. And then I think about if it's a mantis, whatever, how do they build their ships if they don't really have opposable thumbs and, you know? Those are the things that we're always taught. These are the things that make us unique as humans, and we can build things, and that's why the other animals didn't.

You start to stand on your two legs and whatever. And then I think about if it's a mantis, whatever, how do they build their ships if they don't really have opposable thumbs and, you know? Those are the things that we're always taught. These are the things that make us unique as humans, and we can build things, and that's why the other animals didn't.

The only other animal out there is what, the chimpanzee or the gorilla or something, primates. But obviously nature finds a way, and it's not human nature. It's something other type of nature, and they do something else.

The only other animal out there is what, the chimpanzee or the gorilla or something, primates. But obviously nature finds a way, and it's not human nature. It's something other type of nature, and they do something else.

All I know is that crabs do.

All I know is that crabs do.

Lobsters and crabs, all I think of them is just armored spiders. Yeah, they're bugs. And if you think about when they said that the oxygen level was at 30, 35 percent and some other stuff, they're saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs. I'm like, yeah, that's not a place I'd like to live.

Lobsters and crabs, all I think of them is just armored spiders. Yeah, they're bugs. And if you think about when they said that the oxygen level was at 30, 35 percent and some other stuff, they're saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs. I'm like, yeah, that's not a place I'd like to live.

No, all I've heard... Basic, yes.

No, all I've heard... Basic, yes.

That's not what I was going to say. All I've heard is that there's been...

That's not what I was going to say. All I've heard is that there's been...

Wow. And I have a question about all those things, because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that's not what they're putting into your head? Because like what they experienced at a skinwalker ranch when they saw them. the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear.

Wow. And I have a question about all those things, because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that's not what they're putting into your head? Because like what they experienced at a skinwalker ranch when they saw them. the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear.

And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature. So if someone can put fear into you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things? And I'm not saying that it's not genuine, but Part of being on the task force, you have to question everything.

And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature. So if someone can put fear into you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things? And I'm not saying that it's not genuine, but Part of being on the task force, you have to question everything.

Yes.

Yes.

100%.

100%.

I got asked a question, and they said, if you were going to go to Congress and say, here's what we need to know about the UAP experience, what would you tell everybody? That's a good question. And my answer was, we don't need you anymore. Because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves.

I got asked a question, and they said, if you were going to go to Congress and say, here's what we need to know about the UAP experience, what would you tell everybody? That's a good question. And my answer was, we don't need you anymore. Because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves.

Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people, like you, you said you don't trust the government anymore. There's people, they don't trust the government at all in this other thing. So they're like, let's reach out by ourselves. You've got people doing, you know, RV and out-of-the-body experience and all that other stuff.

Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people, like you, you said you don't trust the government anymore. There's people, they don't trust the government at all in this other thing. So they're like, let's reach out by ourselves. You've got people doing, you know, RV and out-of-the-body experience and all that other stuff.

You've got people that are being contacted directly. So now they're trying to say things. And also, too, we're evolving, right? So as we're evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this? Please don't take this the wrong way because people get angry. It's kind of like the Catholic Church.

You've got people that are being contacted directly. So now they're trying to say things. And also, too, we're evolving, right? So as we're evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this? Please don't take this the wrong way because people get angry. It's kind of like the Catholic Church.

I was always told, if you want to talk to God, you talk to God. But then why do I need a priest? Right. You know, so the government's always been the middleman. So do we really still need him?

I was always told, if you want to talk to God, you talk to God. But then why do I need a priest? Right. You know, so the government's always been the middleman. So do we really still need him?

So why wouldn't you try it? If you think it's real. I tell everybody I'm black and I'm afraid of the woo. Okay. But at some point, I know I'm going to have to embrace it because it is part of the experience. So, like, I'm good friends with Travis Taylor.

So why wouldn't you try it? If you think it's real. I tell everybody I'm black and I'm afraid of the woo. Okay. But at some point, I know I'm going to have to embrace it because it is part of the experience. So, like, I'm good friends with Travis Taylor.

And when we first started talking, he was like, okay, I'd like to talk to you about coming out to the ranch, you and some of your friends, your Intel guys. And we talked about it. And then I kind of put it up in the room and said, hey, guys, if we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go? And all the white people put their hands up right away.

And when we first started talking, he was like, okay, I'd like to talk to you about coming out to the ranch, you and some of your friends, your Intel guys. And we talked about it. And then I kind of put it up in the room and said, hey, guys, if we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go? And all the white people put their hands up right away.

All the black people were like in the corner going, now let's think about this. What are you actually asking? And I sat there and I go, why is it that we're so reserved about going? And I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens, you embrace it. But you don't run towards it because whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else.

All the black people were like in the corner going, now let's think about this. What are you actually asking? And I sat there and I go, why is it that we're so reserved about going? And I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens, you embrace it. But you don't run towards it because whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else.

And now you're interfering when you run towards it.

And now you're interfering when you run towards it.

Yes.

Yes.

It would ruin your whole life. Remember that movie with Ben Affleck? I think it was called Chasing Amy. Chasing Amy. I remember the name. I don't remember the movie. Not that Amy. But there was something that was said in there that always made me think. After you have a first experience, and in this particular case, there was talking about your first orgasm.

It would ruin your whole life. Remember that movie with Ben Affleck? I think it was called Chasing Amy. Chasing Amy. I remember the name. I don't remember the movie. Not that Amy. But there was something that was said in there that always made me think. After you have a first experience, and in this particular case, there was talking about your first orgasm.

You're always chasing after that first best feeling that you ever had. You're never going to get there, but you're chasing it.

You're always chasing after that first best feeling that you ever had. You're never going to get there, but you're chasing it.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes. So if you're one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world. Yeah. you can't really explain it to everybody else. So you're looking for something else to make it seem real because you start questioning everything that you know. And that's how I was.

Yes. So if you're one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world. Yeah. you can't really explain it to everybody else. So you're looking for something else to make it seem real because you start questioning everything that you know. And that's how I was.

My first experience was when I was a kid in England and me and a friend were just throwing the ball back and forward. And you know, in the old days, people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines. So I just happened to see that there was some sneakers up there. And then all of a sudden I look off in the distance and there's this UAP UFO that looks like an iron.

My first experience was when I was a kid in England and me and a friend were just throwing the ball back and forward. And you know, in the old days, people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines. So I just happened to see that there was some sneakers up there. And then all of a sudden I look off in the distance and there's this UAP UFO that looks like an iron.

that you would iron your clothes with. The whole bottom part was glowing. The top part was just dullish great, because England had great skies.

that you would iron your clothes with. The whole bottom part was glowing. The top part was just dullish great, because England had great skies.

Yes. So it had a hump to it? It kind of had a hump to it. So I'm sitting there going, well, what is that? And he goes, that's got to be a helicopter, because it's just standing there. And I was like, but I don't hear any noise. And then next thing you know, we saw, I believe it was two F-4 jets coming, because you could hear them. Those engines are loud.

Yes. So it had a hump to it? It kind of had a hump to it. So I'm sitting there going, well, what is that? And he goes, that's got to be a helicopter, because it's just standing there. And I was like, but I don't hear any noise. And then next thing you know, we saw, I believe it was two F-4 jets coming, because you could hear them. Those engines are loud.

And these two jets come out, and this thing just goes, and this is when I was living in Nottingham, England, because I'm British by birth, all right? So, you know, our parents were like, eh, too much imagination, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I just kind of kept it in the back of my head. And then I saw things later, and I just kept questioning them.

And these two jets come out, and this thing just goes, and this is when I was living in Nottingham, England, because I'm British by birth, all right? So, you know, our parents were like, eh, too much imagination, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I just kind of kept it in the back of my head. And then I saw things later, and I just kept questioning them.

And finally it was like, I'm really going to have to look into this. So how old were you? I was about 10.

And finally it was like, I'm really going to have to look into this. So how old were you? I was about 10.

We talked about this.

We talked about this.

We don't want to be fools. So I believe, and this is just my belief, not anybody's, but I believe from the mid 1950s all the way up to the mid 1990s, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and going to the schools. Because remember the Ruins? The Zimbabwe. Right. That one's crazy.

We don't want to be fools. So I believe, and this is just my belief, not anybody's, but I believe from the mid 1950s all the way up to the mid 1990s, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and going to the schools. Because remember the Ruins? The Zimbabwe. Right. That one's crazy.

All the way to adulthood. They remember it. Yeah. And then there's the stuff in Australia. There's the stuff in England. There's the stuff in France. It's constantly. I think. The Australian one's real similar too, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think his name was Preston Dennett. He wrote a book. I hope your viewers read it or take a look at it. It's like the top 100 school sightings.

All the way to adulthood. They remember it. Yeah. And then there's the stuff in Australia. There's the stuff in England. There's the stuff in France. It's constantly. I think. The Australian one's real similar too, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think his name was Preston Dennett. He wrote a book. I hope your viewers read it or take a look at it. It's like the top 100 school sightings.

And half of it is based on just the sighting. Another part of it is based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with the kids. And I sat there just thinking, were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back? So we're not so afraid. The kids are more open minded. I'm not sure, but you have to think about those things and go, hmm.

And half of it is based on just the sighting. Another part of it is based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with the kids. And I sat there just thinking, were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back? So we're not so afraid. The kids are more open minded. I'm not sure, but you have to think about those things and go, hmm.

Aren't you arsing the whole thing?

Aren't you arsing the whole thing?

So those were some of the things that we just started thinking about and going, well, what if? And then I hate to play what if games because my favorite what if is what if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't mess with them. But you have to play that game sometime and just kind of draw it out and then see if it –

So those were some of the things that we just started thinking about and going, well, what if? And then I hate to play what if games because my favorite what if is what if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't mess with them. But you have to play that game sometime and just kind of draw it out and then see if it –

If you have a hypothesis that can start repeating itself and then you go, hey, there is something to this.

If you have a hypothesis that can start repeating itself and then you go, hey, there is something to this.

So all those things that happened to those kids, we don't know if it was... I mean, we're hearing stories now that they can mess with your mind. We don't know if they're pushing these kids forward mentally. We don't know if they're, you know, dumbing them down because they know that these kids are going to be the ones that are going to make a difference.

So all those things that happened to those kids, we don't know if it was... I mean, we're hearing stories now that they can mess with your mind. We don't know if they're pushing these kids forward mentally. We don't know if they're, you know, dumbing them down because they know that these kids are going to be the ones that are going to make a difference.

Because it all depends on what you're going to try with them. Well, they're all adults now, right? Yes.

Because it all depends on what you're going to try with them. Well, they're all adults now, right? Yes.

I have not gone to check any of that. But one of the things that coincides with that, that I kind of... I think there was... Exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to get noticed. And I think even if you're exceptional, you may not have fit the right block to get noticed so that someone would sit there and go, hey, what's going on in your past, whatever.

I have not gone to check any of that. But one of the things that coincides with that, that I kind of... I think there was... Exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to get noticed. And I think even if you're exceptional, you may not have fit the right block to get noticed so that someone would sit there and go, hey, what's going on in your past, whatever.

And then there's a lot of these people they just don't want to talk about because of whatever the stigma. But now that the stigma is being lifted, You know, who knows? Maybe Elon Musk will come up with something.

And then there's a lot of these people they just don't want to talk about because of whatever the stigma. But now that the stigma is being lifted, You know, who knows? Maybe Elon Musk will come up with something.

Yep.

Yep.

I agree with you.

I agree with you.

But there's still the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious. And when I was growing up, they're like, God is omnipotent. God knows everything. God doesn't make mistakes and everything. And then I was like, that's not exactly true.

But there's still the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious. And when I was growing up, they're like, God is omnipotent. God knows everything. God doesn't make mistakes and everything. And then I was like, that's not exactly true.

But if you think that God is omnipotent and he's communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leaders of a church have different views on how we're supposed to talk to God? Right.

But if you think that God is omnipotent and he's communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leaders of a church have different views on how we're supposed to talk to God? Right.

So those are the typical grays, but I heard in South America there were people that they showed that picture to him. They called them the ant people because they said they came from underground.

So those are the typical grays, but I heard in South America there were people that they showed that picture to him. They called them the ant people because they said they came from underground.

And the vast majority of those children that saw UAP, that came down to their school, if there was an entity that was there, it was usually the typical gray-looking ones that were there.

And the vast majority of those children that saw UAP, that came down to their school, if there was an entity that was there, it was usually the typical gray-looking ones that were there.

The pictures that we're seeing for Varhenia, this one had red eyes. And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted me, a mutual friend that we talked about. Oh, okay. He was talking about something known as the Dover Demon. And it's over by Dover, Delaware. And there was supposed to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature.

The pictures that we're seeing for Varhenia, this one had red eyes. And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted me, a mutual friend that we talked about. Oh, okay. He was talking about something known as the Dover Demon. And it's over by Dover, Delaware. And there was supposed to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature.

And it looked a lot like the Varhenia creature with the red eyes and red eyes. Whatever. So he was asking.

And it looked a lot like the Varhenia creature with the red eyes and red eyes. Whatever. So he was asking.

That's the Dover. Yeah.

That's the Dover. Yeah.

Yeah. But he said it had bright red eyes. Oh, fun. Imagine that.

Yeah. But he said it had bright red eyes. Oh, fun. Imagine that.

Right. So the question was. Blowing eyes.

Right. So the question was. Blowing eyes.

Right.

Right.

So I told Travis, if you ever get me to come to Skinwalker Ranch, I said, know that I've got a plan. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I said, I will not be the slowest runner. However, I will not be the fastest runner because I don't know what's really going on there. I don't want to run from one thing into another. So I'm going to make sure I have an escape plan.

So I told Travis, if you ever get me to come to Skinwalker Ranch, I said, know that I've got a plan. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I said, I will not be the slowest runner. However, I will not be the fastest runner because I don't know what's really going on there. I don't want to run from one thing into another. So I'm going to make sure I have an escape plan.

Oh, you did? Yeah.

Oh, you did? Yeah.

I've had a similar case. So every March I go to Seaside, Oregon, because they have a paranormal conference. And I I'm not into the paranormal stuff, but my friends are. So I want to listen and I want to learn. Because this is me trying to get over my fear of going in there.

I've had a similar case. So every March I go to Seaside, Oregon, because they have a paranormal conference. And I I'm not into the paranormal stuff, but my friends are. So I want to listen and I want to learn. Because this is me trying to get over my fear of going in there.

No, the paranormal because of certain things that I've heard from when I was a kid. And you have to overcome some of those childhood fears and stuff like that.

No, the paranormal because of certain things that I've heard from when I was a kid. And you have to overcome some of those childhood fears and stuff like that.

So when I was there, I was talking about my app and all this other stuff. And these two Asian ladies were watching me walk on the stage. And I was like, why are they looking at me like that? I was like, is my fly down or something? What did I do? And as soon as I stepped off the stage, they said, Mr. Logan, what are they? What are they? And I was like, what do you mean?

So when I was there, I was talking about my app and all this other stuff. And these two Asian ladies were watching me walk on the stage. And I was like, why are they looking at me like that? I was like, is my fly down or something? What did I do? And as soon as I stepped off the stage, they said, Mr. Logan, what are they? What are they? And I was like, what do you mean?

She pulls out on her phone the most beautiful, pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway. And I'm like, what happened there? And she said, it was my birthday. And she said, all my family was there. And she said, but I got tired, so I was laying down. And she said, I heard like this electrical discharge going on. And she said, it came right through her wall, started floating across her room.

She pulls out on her phone the most beautiful, pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway. And I'm like, what happened there? And she said, it was my birthday. And she said, all my family was there. And she said, but I got tired, so I was laying down. And she said, I heard like this electrical discharge going on. And she said, it came right through her wall, started floating across her room.

She said, it got to her doorway. She screamed. And all her family came, and the son, I guess it was, took the picture of the orb. And I was so amazed by her story, I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture.

She said, it got to her doorway. She screamed. And all her family came, and the son, I guess it was, took the picture of the orb. And I was so amazed by her story, I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture.

This was like two years ago.

This was like two years ago.

Yeah. It was an iPhone. They were from Northern California, and they drove up to this thing. And I'm just like, so what happened? She said it actually sat there and did this like a heartbeat, getting bigger and smaller. Whoa. And then she said it just kind of went back out the way it came in. And she goes... What are they? You were on the task force. Don't you know about these things?

Yeah. It was an iPhone. They were from Northern California, and they drove up to this thing. And I'm just like, so what happened? She said it actually sat there and did this like a heartbeat, getting bigger and smaller. Whoa. And then she said it just kind of went back out the way it came in. And she goes... What are they? You were on the task force. Don't you know about these things?

And I was like, whoa, you know, we're not omnipotent. We're trying to learn just like you are. And every year I've been back there twice now. And every year I go, hey, if those two ladies are in here, can we talk? And they haven't shown back up. But he sounded just like your story of what happened to this other individual.

And I was like, whoa, you know, we're not omnipotent. We're trying to learn just like you are. And every year I've been back there twice now. And every year I go, hey, if those two ladies are in here, can we talk? And they haven't shown back up. But he sounded just like your story of what happened to this other individual.

You would have made a good analyst. Maybe. Because the thing that we're trying to do as the all-source analyst is to look at all aspects of what happened. And sometimes people just go in there, well, I mean, the thing that really upsets me is when I was part of the task force was someone just handing me a picture and just going, so what is it?

You would have made a good analyst. Maybe. Because the thing that we're trying to do as the all-source analyst is to look at all aspects of what happened. And sometimes people just go in there, well, I mean, the thing that really upsets me is when I was part of the task force was someone just handing me a picture and just going, so what is it?

No context, no nothing. You're just like...

No context, no nothing. You're just like...

It can't be fake. I don't know what the fuck that is.

It can't be fake. I don't know what the fuck that is.

I don't know if you've had any mental issues. Right, right. I mean, someone showed me something that it was a button on a glass. And at first I was like, that looks really intriguing. But there was something about it that was just, it wasn't quite right. And I'm like, I think this is fake, but I don't know why. And then finally the guy said, yeah, you know, button on a glass, you know.

I don't know if you've had any mental issues. Right, right. I mean, someone showed me something that it was a button on a glass. And at first I was like, that looks really intriguing. But there was something about it that was just, it wasn't quite right. And I'm like, I think this is fake, but I don't know why. And then finally the guy said, yeah, you know, button on a glass, you know.

Yes. There's that autistic kid that does that really good pictures.

Yes. There's that autistic kid that does that really good pictures.

There's an autistic kid out there that – That's all he does. That's all he does. He gets miniature cars and puts them in a real background.

There's an autistic kid out there that – That's all he does. That's all he does. He gets miniature cars and puts them in a real background.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, that's the kid, 13-year-old kid. There you go.

Yeah, that's the kid, 13-year-old kid. There you go.

This kind of falls into the area, too, of...

This kind of falls into the area, too, of...

When you do see a UAP, something about it is what's telling you that it's a UAP, but you're also looking in your mind's memory bank to say, this is fake, this can't be real because it's not doing X, it's not doing whatever. And then sometimes you end up going... It's just not real. I'm throwing it out of my head.

When you do see a UAP, something about it is what's telling you that it's a UAP, but you're also looking in your mind's memory bank to say, this is fake, this can't be real because it's not doing X, it's not doing whatever. And then sometimes you end up going... It's just not real. I'm throwing it out of my head.

And then all of a sudden someone either tells you something that makes you go back and go, oh, my God, that thing did that. So maybe it was real. Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you're like, oh, OMG. And now... Your whole thing, your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you're like, I did see that.

And then all of a sudden someone either tells you something that makes you go back and go, oh, my God, that thing did that. So maybe it was real. Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you're like, oh, OMG. And now... Your whole thing, your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you're like, I did see that.

Stolen valor. Yeah.

Stolen valor. Yeah.

So when he first showed up, I was one of the first people to get his – He knows my whole history, man. When he first showed up, first thing I read through everything, I was like – hmm, I'm gonna have to run a background check on this guy.

So when he first showed up, I was one of the first people to get his – He knows my whole history, man. When he first showed up, first thing I read through everything, I was like – hmm, I'm gonna have to run a background check on this guy.

Right, and then I was like, so I did the basics, and then I called up David Grush, and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you. I can't do anything with this guy because there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check, but boy, you gotta listen to what this guy has to say. And from there, David took it on, and I was like, he came back to me and goes,

Right, and then I was like, so I did the basics, and then I called up David Grush, and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you. I can't do anything with this guy because there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check, but boy, you gotta listen to what this guy has to say. And from there, David took it on, and I was like, he came back to me and goes,

Well, this guy looks to be the real deal. And I was like, holy crap.

Well, this guy looks to be the real deal. And I was like, holy crap.

There's actually a recording that goes with it where you hear the guys going, hey, does anybody know what this is? What's going on here? Can we hear that?

There's actually a recording that goes with it where you hear the guys going, hey, does anybody know what this is? What's going on here? Can we hear that?

We're throwing everything at him. We're like, is it this? Is it this? And he's like, no. That's the one.

We're throwing everything at him. We're like, is it this? Is it this? And he's like, no. That's the one.

This is the best image that we have of what he could have looked like. Oh, boy. Can you send that to Jamie? Yeah, I don't know Jamie's number, but we'll find a way to...

This is the best image that we have of what he could have looked like. Oh, boy. Can you send that to Jamie? Yeah, I don't know Jamie's number, but we'll find a way to...

We had an interesting talk about this. There's a video online where it shows, like, some gray kind of strung up, and they're asking him questions and whatever. And I was asking him, I said... If you were in NHI and you saw that, and this is what the humans are broadcasting. Sorry. It's okay. And this is what the humans are broadcasting. I said... I'd be like, yo, they got Jimmy.

We had an interesting talk about this. There's a video online where it shows, like, some gray kind of strung up, and they're asking him questions and whatever. And I was asking him, I said... If you were in NHI and you saw that, and this is what the humans are broadcasting. Sorry. It's okay. And this is what the humans are broadcasting. I said... I'd be like, yo, they got Jimmy.

Look what they're doing to Jimmy. Right. It's on. We're going to Earth. We're going to go get Jimmy back.

Look what they're doing to Jimmy. Right. It's on. We're going to Earth. We're going to go get Jimmy back.

I truly believe it is fake because like we've- It looks so fake. Everybody says- It looks like a puppet. Yeah. They talk telepathically. And here he is. Oh, here's this voice coming out to whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's- So we've always assumed that they've got the same type of – some type of emotions, a lot like us, but maybe they're much more controlled, much more refined.

I truly believe it is fake because like we've- It looks so fake. Everybody says- It looks like a puppet. Yeah. They talk telepathically. And here he is. Oh, here's this voice coming out to whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's- So we've always assumed that they've got the same type of – some type of emotions, a lot like us, but maybe they're much more controlled, much more refined.

Kind of like how we can – not that I'm saying – Kind of like us now versus us 50,000 years ago. Yeah.

Kind of like how we can – not that I'm saying – Kind of like us now versus us 50,000 years ago. Yeah.

Yeah. But I didn't know what I was seeing. But, you know, like after the program came out, I mean, not came out, but after James Fox finished editing everything, he says, well, you haven't seen everything put together. So here you go. And, you know, tell me if you don't like the way you look or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. But I didn't know what I was seeing. But, you know, like after the program came out, I mean, not came out, but after James Fox finished editing everything, he says, well, you haven't seen everything put together. So here you go. And, you know, tell me if you don't like the way you look or whatever. Yeah.

and I'm going through it, and he starts showing, I see the stuff about Calvin, the Calvin Scotland image. Have you seen that one? Yes, yes. So that image was taken, if I remember correctly, in August 1990.

and I'm going through it, and he starts showing, I see the stuff about Calvin, the Calvin Scotland image. Have you seen that one? Yes, yes. So that image was taken, if I remember correctly, in August 1990.

You can just type in Calvin UFO whatever. So I had just cross-trained from, yeah, that one. I had just cross-trained from... maintenance into intelligence, and I was going to my first intel assignment. And I'm flying from Philadelphia to Frankfurt, Germany, to Rheinland Air Base. Somewhere between Iceland and Scotland, This thing is zipping around in the clouds doing this ziggy-zaggy thing.

You can just type in Calvin UFO whatever. So I had just cross-trained from, yeah, that one. I had just cross-trained from... maintenance into intelligence, and I was going to my first intel assignment. And I'm flying from Philadelphia to Frankfurt, Germany, to Rheinland Air Base. Somewhere between Iceland and Scotland, This thing is zipping around in the clouds doing this ziggy-zaggy thing.

I don't know what it was doing, but it was doing this. The sun was just coming up, and I'm eating a Philly cheesesteak, and the other guy who's with me is eating a hoagie, and the other guy that's standing up over the top, I'm like, anybody know what that is? And they're like, dude, what is that? And then all of a sudden in my head, I'm like, oh, this is my first Intel assignment.

I don't know what it was doing, but it was doing this. The sun was just coming up, and I'm eating a Philly cheesesteak, and the other guy who's with me is eating a hoagie, and the other guy that's standing up over the top, I'm like, anybody know what that is? And they're like, dude, what is that? And then all of a sudden in my head, I'm like, oh, this is my first Intel assignment.

I'm going to get clued into some cool ass shit. But I don't know what the hell that is. But I'm just thinking it looks just like that. It looks just like that. And the way it was moving in the clouds, it was like because the shadow was like going from like that color to like dark. And then light again as it was moving in. And it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector.

I'm going to get clued into some cool ass shit. But I don't know what the hell that is. But I'm just thinking it looks just like that. It looks just like that. And the way it was moving in the clouds, it was like because the shadow was like going from like that color to like dark. And then light again as it was moving in. And it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector.

And I'm like, what is that? So didn't know what was going on. So I called James back. I was like, dude, dude, where is this? Talk to me. We're all excited. And he goes, explain to me everything. And what happened was I got to my unit. And I talk to them and I go, we have a weapons tactics guy. He's, you know, they're the best of the best and they're leading the group.

And I'm like, what is that? So didn't know what was going on. So I called James back. I was like, dude, dude, where is this? Talk to me. We're all excited. And he goes, explain to me everything. And what happened was I got to my unit. And I talk to them and I go, we have a weapons tactics guy. He's, you know, they're the best of the best and they're leading the group.

And I was like, so what is that thing out there? And he goes, I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, this is in January of 1990. That picture is August of 1990. And what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave, I don't know if you're familiar with that, a whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over Belgium for almost a whole year. So they just call it the Belgian wave.

And I was like, so what is that thing out there? And he goes, I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, this is in January of 1990. That picture is August of 1990. And what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave, I don't know if you're familiar with that, a whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over Belgium for almost a whole year. So they just call it the Belgian wave.

Police officers saw it. They launched F-16s after him, whatever.

Police officers saw it. They launched F-16s after him, whatever.

No, but the general that's in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the F-16 radar was seeing. And I guess every time they tried to get close to it, it would just pull away just far enough, you know, that they couldn't catch it. And then when they would try to cage it in the radar system, it would move to the left. You know, it was playing with them. So...

No, but the general that's in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the F-16 radar was seeing. And I guess every time they tried to get close to it, it would just pull away just far enough, you know, that they couldn't catch it. And then when they would try to cage it in the radar system, it would move to the left. You know, it was playing with them. So...

But I didn't know any of that. So I just kind of was like, yeah, OK, I'm stupid. Maybe it was part of my imagination. But what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head. So dead the storm happens, whatever. And I'm at my base and British AWACS shows up. And they're looking at me, and I still had my accent, my British accent. They're looking at me going, what are you flying with the Yanks for?

But I didn't know any of that. So I just kind of was like, yeah, OK, I'm stupid. Maybe it was part of my imagination. But what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head. So dead the storm happens, whatever. And I'm at my base and British AWACS shows up. And they're looking at me, and I still had my accent, my British accent. They're looking at me going, what are you flying with the Yanks for?

And I go, what do you mean? They said, you know, and I told them my family thing. They said, why don't you come fly with us? I'm like, sure. Let me ask my boss. My boss says, you ain't got nothing going on. Go fly with them. So we're flying around, and finally I go, hey, guys. What's up? what's that thing in the sky that does the ziggy-zaggy thing? Do you know what I'm talking about?

And I go, what do you mean? They said, you know, and I told them my family thing. They said, why don't you come fly with us? I'm like, sure. Let me ask my boss. My boss says, you ain't got nothing going on. Go fly with them. So we're flying around, and finally I go, hey, guys. What's up? what's that thing in the sky that does the ziggy-zaggy thing? Do you know what I'm talking about?

And they're like, you know. And I was like, no, I don't know. Don't play with me. And they're like, come on, Logan, you know. And then finally they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe, all the aircraft flying around. And you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast, like all the other aircraft, the sweep of the radar, you're just seeing these minute movements.

And they're like, you know. And I was like, no, I don't know. Don't play with me. And they're like, come on, Logan, you know. And then finally they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe, all the aircraft flying around. And you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast, like all the other aircraft, the sweep of the radar, you're just seeing these minute movements.

This thing is like, it's gone. And I was like, who's that? And they go, you do. I was like, look, stop playing with me. Come to find out, they said, well, that's your SR-71. And I was like, well, that ain't him. And they're like, okay. And then he looks at the other guy and he said, show him the other one.

This thing is like, it's gone. And I was like, who's that? And they go, you do. I was like, look, stop playing with me. Come to find out, they said, well, that's your SR-71. And I was like, well, that ain't him. And they're like, okay. And then he looks at the other guy and he said, show him the other one.

So I am a— Pull this up to your face. I'm sorry. It's okay. So I'm also a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force. Started off as a B-52 crew chief, cross-trained into intel, retired after 21 1⁄2, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force, and I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people and—

So I am a— Pull this up to your face. I'm sorry. It's okay. So I'm also a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force. Started off as a B-52 crew chief, cross-trained into intel, retired after 21 1⁄2, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force, and I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people and—

And they show me this radar scoping in, and this time there's a target in the middle of, not in the middle of the screen, but off to the side. It was like, could have been like East Germany or whatever. But every sweep of the radar, he was somewhere else. And I was like, that guy. I was so excited. I said, that MF right there. Yeah. Who's that guy? And they go, you know.

And they show me this radar scoping in, and this time there's a target in the middle of, not in the middle of the screen, but off to the side. It was like, could have been like East Germany or whatever. But every sweep of the radar, he was somewhere else. And I was like, that guy. I was so excited. I said, that MF right there. Yeah. Who's that guy? And they go, you know.

I was like, look, stop this. I don't know. And they finally said, we don't know either. They said, we just assumed it was you Americans playing with us. We don't know. That's what happens a lot of times. Yeah.

I was like, look, stop this. I don't know. And they finally said, we don't know either. They said, we just assumed it was you Americans playing with us. We don't know. That's what happens a lot of times. Yeah.

We heard about it, but I didn't see it.

We heard about it, but I didn't see it.

It does. It stinks. It's a poor explanation. Yeah. I actually had— A person that was up there and she said one of those things came down low and slow over our house. And she said it had the sound of a helicopter. So she was like her and her husband were like, oh, you know, it's a helicopter. But then all of a sudden they realized she said, Mr. Logan, were you ever air crew?

It does. It stinks. It's a poor explanation. Yeah. I actually had— A person that was up there and she said one of those things came down low and slow over our house. And she said it had the sound of a helicopter. So she was like her and her husband were like, oh, you know, it's a helicopter. But then all of a sudden they realized she said, Mr. Logan, were you ever air crew?

I said, yeah, I was in special ops and I flew on helicopters and da da da da. And she goes. When it came down low, it had the sound of a helicopter, but you couldn't feel it. And I go, huh? She goes, you know when you can feel the rotor wash and it's hitting you in your chest? She said there was none of that. She said it came down slow, low over her house, and then it went back up.

I said, yeah, I was in special ops and I flew on helicopters and da da da da. And she goes. When it came down low, it had the sound of a helicopter, but you couldn't feel it. And I go, huh? She goes, you know when you can feel the rotor wash and it's hitting you in your chest? She said there was none of that. She said it came down slow, low over her house, and then it went back up.

And then she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else. And she said... That's not any drone I know of. And she said it sounded like the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all prerecorded just to make them sound like they were conventional aircraft.

And then she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else. And she said... That's not any drone I know of. And she said it sounded like the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all prerecorded just to make them sound like they were conventional aircraft.

So when they initially came out, they said, oh, they're all manned. All right. I think it was John Kirby that was the speaker. And I used to work at the FAA. So my first thing was, well, if they're manned, you just call them up and say, cut it out.

So when they initially came out, they said, oh, they're all manned. All right. I think it was John Kirby that was the speaker. And I used to work at the FAA. So my first thing was, well, if they're manned, you just call them up and say, cut it out.

Simple. Right. But it kept going on. And then later on, there was a report that DHS said. oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot, but DHS has assessed it's just a regular drone. So when you hear that, what are you thinking? DJI Mavic, something small, whatever.

Simple. Right. But it kept going on. And then later on, there was a report that DHS said. oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot, but DHS has assessed it's just a regular drone. So when you hear that, what are you thinking? DJI Mavic, something small, whatever.

Someone on X is on a train going by that exact same spot, and they show a drone next to two police cars, and this thing is as big as the police car. And I'm like, so I have no way of confirming if that's what it really was.

Someone on X is on a train going by that exact same spot, and they show a drone next to two police cars, and this thing is as big as the police car. And I'm like, so I have no way of confirming if that's what it really was.

But I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving. He said, he goes, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm passing that mall right now, and take a look. And it's like maybe a 30-second clip or something, and you see this thing. It's as big as the SUVs.

But I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving. He said, he goes, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm passing that mall right now, and take a look. And it's like maybe a 30-second clip or something, and you see this thing. It's as big as the SUVs.

It looked kind of like a gondola with large blades on the four corners.

It looked kind of like a gondola with large blades on the four corners.

Very large conventional drone. And so I'm sitting there thinking... Was this a test that nobody knew about? What is going on? And nobody got any answers.

Very large conventional drone. And so I'm sitting there thinking... Was this a test that nobody knew about? What is going on? And nobody got any answers.

While he's talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do want to mention is when I talked to that AWACS group, I thought it was kind of interesting because I said, so how many know about this? And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it. And I was like, what? He says, yeah, but we just don't talk about it because people lose their jobs over this. And I was like, I've heard that as well.

While he's talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do want to mention is when I talked to that AWACS group, I thought it was kind of interesting because I said, so how many know about this? And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it. And I was like, what? He says, yeah, but we just don't talk about it because people lose their jobs over this. And I was like, I've heard that as well.

And I was like, so this is an AWAC. And I said, am I to assume that if you're a British AWAC, then American AWACs can see it, French AWACs can see it, NATO AWACs can see it? And he just kind of, yeah.

And I was like, so this is an AWAC. And I said, am I to assume that if you're a British AWAC, then American AWACs can see it, French AWACs can see it, NATO AWACs can see it? And he just kind of, yeah.

And everybody just says it's got to be America.

And everybody just says it's got to be America.

It kind of makes sense because there was so much drone activity. Here's the thing that I – I got to look at it from an analyst point of view. The first thing that came up, I was like – so they knew this the whole time. Why couldn't they have said that from the very beginning?

It kind of makes sense because there was so much drone activity. Here's the thing that I – I got to look at it from an analyst point of view. The first thing that came up, I was like – so they knew this the whole time. Why couldn't they have said that from the very beginning?

Right. Right. And then two, why were they required to have a skiff briefing on drones? Nobody's ever answered that. At one point, Congress guys all went into a skiff and got a skiff briefing on drones.

Right. Right. And then two, why were they required to have a skiff briefing on drones? Nobody's ever answered that. At one point, Congress guys all went into a skiff and got a skiff briefing on drones.

That's my point. Explain a SCIF to people that don't know what we're talking about. A SCIF is a place for information above secret. And it's a special compartmented intelligence facility where we can go in there and talk about things that are above the secret.

That's my point. Explain a SCIF to people that don't know what we're talking about. A SCIF is a place for information above secret. And it's a special compartmented intelligence facility where we can go in there and talk about things that are above the secret.

No phones, no nothing. Right. But the thing is this. I mean, most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we're going to look at it and say something's not quite right here because this is something domestic happening over the U.S. So would it really require a SCIF?

No phones, no nothing. Right. But the thing is this. I mean, most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we're going to look at it and say something's not quite right here because this is something domestic happening over the U.S. So would it really require a SCIF?

Right.

Right.

So would it really require that level of security to go on and have these guys talk? It just doesn't make any sense.

So would it really require that level of security to go on and have these guys talk? It just doesn't make any sense.

And then there's still the problem with these drones popping up all over the world, especially over military facilities. And that part's not been addressed. It's just the other stuff that they, you know. Right.

And then there's still the problem with these drones popping up all over the world, especially over military facilities. And that part's not been addressed. It's just the other stuff that they, you know. Right.

Wright-Patterson, Langley Air Force Base, there's others. And then there's reports of stuff in Australia. There's reports of things in other places in the world.

Wright-Patterson, Langley Air Force Base, there's others. And then there's reports of stuff in Australia. There's reports of things in other places in the world.

You have no idea how many people have said that already. Yeah. You're going in the right direction.

You have no idea how many people have said that already. Yeah. You're going in the right direction.

And then there was the guy – the congressman that said, oh, there's an Iranian mothership out there. And we were like, what?

And then there was the guy – the congressman that said, oh, there's an Iranian mothership out there. And we were like, what?

Yeah. None of this stuff was making any sense. And then you have to wonder – Where was he getting his intel? Because if it's that crappy, those people need to be fired.

Yeah. None of this stuff was making any sense. And then you have to wonder – Where was he getting his intel? Because if it's that crappy, those people need to be fired.

You could have just done a NOTAM and just said, hey, we're going to be doing a test in this area. Don't want to scare anybody or whatever, but we're just going to do a test in this area.

You could have just done a NOTAM and just said, hey, we're going to be doing a test in this area. Don't want to scare anybody or whatever, but we're just going to do a test in this area.

But why would you – if you know the truth, why would you leave the Americans afraid of what's flying over their head?

But why would you – if you know the truth, why would you leave the Americans afraid of what's flying over their head?

And speak for the American government for that if you're not officially a part of it.

And speak for the American government for that if you're not officially a part of it.

I'd like to add something here. Someone gave me an analogy to say, think of it as There's a type of metal that is totally non-magnetic. But as soon as you put a current through it, it becomes magnetic. All right. And he said, imagine this. You're in Roswell. You're cruising along. You're checking out everybody doing their thing.

I'd like to add something here. Someone gave me an analogy to say, think of it as There's a type of metal that is totally non-magnetic. But as soon as you put a current through it, it becomes magnetic. All right. And he said, imagine this. You're in Roswell. You're cruising along. You're checking out everybody doing their thing.

No? He's in a different class than me. He's an official whistleblower. Me, I just step forward to say that I don't think – We need the government to do this. I think we as the public need to do this. And I created an app to do that. I was hoping that. What is your app? My app is called Fina. It's an app to report UAP paranormal encrypted like events.

No? He's in a different class than me. He's an official whistleblower. Me, I just step forward to say that I don't think – We need the government to do this. I think we as the public need to do this. And I created an app to do that. I was hoping that. What is your app? My app is called Fina. It's an app to report UAP paranormal encrypted like events.

And the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded. and then look for the outliers and get people like Jacques Vallee and Dr. Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff and others, the graybeards, to look at it and say, okay, here's what we can figure out. You know, Gary Nolan and all these people. Let's get them the information that they need.

And the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded. and then look for the outliers and get people like Jacques Vallee and Dr. Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff and others, the graybeards, to look at it and say, okay, here's what we can figure out. You know, Gary Nolan and all these people. Let's get them the information that they need.

And then after we get them the information they need, let's get it out to academia so we can have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on. I wanted people to use my app on the drones. Some people did, but not enough. And I had a little bit of a problem because when I put it out on Android, There was only one other app that was close to it that was in the same name.

And then after we get them the information they need, let's get it out to academia so we can have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on. I wanted people to use my app on the drones. Some people did, but not enough. And I had a little bit of a problem because when I put it out on Android, There was only one other app that was close to it that was in the same name.

Go back there. There's like almost 10 apps with the same name, so people didn't know what was going on.

Go back there. There's like almost 10 apps with the same name, so people didn't know what was going on.

And then because remember that night there was a huge electrical storm. That's one of the big things they keep talking about. If one of those things gets hit and all of a sudden they slam together because now they're magnetic. And then they bounce off. And that's why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the one that landed somewhere else.

And then because remember that night there was a huge electrical storm. That's one of the big things they keep talking about. If one of those things gets hit and all of a sudden they slam together because now they're magnetic. And then they bounce off. And that's why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the one that landed somewhere else.

Kind of like large dogs that die early because of their heart problem. Right.

Kind of like large dogs that die early because of their heart problem. Right.

So that was what someone told me. Now, I've never been able to figure out if that's the actual truth. But the two most likely possibilities is that one.

So that was what someone told me. Now, I've never been able to figure out if that's the actual truth. But the two most likely possibilities is that one.

I had to listen to that. And the thing is, we don't know if it's because of their appearance. You know, you would assume something that's reptilian is maybe a demon or whatever, and a Nordic with the blonde hair, blue eyed is considered like an angel. Or is it that's just our perception? But that's what you hear.

I had to listen to that. And the thing is, we don't know if it's because of their appearance. You know, you would assume something that's reptilian is maybe a demon or whatever, and a Nordic with the blonde hair, blue eyed is considered like an angel. Or is it that's just our perception? But that's what you hear.

It's horrific.

It's horrific.

I thought that was funny because the lady was like, my snake sleeps with me every night. And the guy says, no, it's laying next to you because it's sizing you up for eventually a chance when it's going to eat you.

I thought that was funny because the lady was like, my snake sleeps with me every night. And the guy says, no, it's laying next to you because it's sizing you up for eventually a chance when it's going to eat you.

So they could be seen that way. But here's here's something that someone we were just talking and throwing ideas at each other. He said, if humans have actually been on the earth, like, say, this long.

So they could be seen that way. But here's here's something that someone we were just talking and throwing ideas at each other. He said, if humans have actually been on the earth, like, say, this long.

All right. When the dinosaurs were here, they were like, yeah, this long. So is it possible that some of them could have evolved to a certain point? Know that something bad is going to happen. They're so advanced, they go off world and then they come back and go, hey, what happened here?

All right. When the dinosaurs were here, they were like, yeah, this long. So is it possible that some of them could have evolved to a certain point? Know that something bad is going to happen. They're so advanced, they go off world and then they come back and go, hey, what happened here?

Yes. Because remember back in the day there used to be an Omni magazine? All right. One of those hypotheses was if mammals like us hadn't shown up, what would we have looked like? And it shows a... lizard walking upright and doing everyday things.

Yes. Because remember back in the day there used to be an Omni magazine? All right. One of those hypotheses was if mammals like us hadn't shown up, what would we have looked like? And it shows a... lizard walking upright and doing everyday things.

That's the assumption. But now we're going back and looking at all kinds of different things. They said that maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs. Maybe it was a combination of things like There was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water, and all at the same time, maybe the asteroid was the catalyst to start it.

That's the assumption. But now we're going back and looking at all kinds of different things. They said that maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs. Maybe it was a combination of things like There was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water, and all at the same time, maybe the asteroid was the catalyst to start it.

And then all these other things that happened after, you know, the fireball, all the other stuff. But if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that's an asteroid. It's going to kick our butt. Or let's go under, you know, because there's some legit looking things that can go underwater and do their thing.

And then all these other things that happened after, you know, the fireball, all the other stuff. But if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that's an asteroid. It's going to kick our butt. Or let's go under, you know, because there's some legit looking things that can go underwater and do their thing.

Because I heard a story. Why not?

Because I heard a story. Why not?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just heard a story that someone just said, imagine this. The aliens are coming down. There's another society here that lives on the ground, highly advanced. And they like to keep things the way they are. So they're going to direct all their energy to make sure that the NHI that we're seeing are paying attention to us and not them. And I was like, hmm.

I just heard a story that someone just said, imagine this. The aliens are coming down. There's another society here that lives on the ground, highly advanced. And they like to keep things the way they are. So they're going to direct all their energy to make sure that the NHI that we're seeing are paying attention to us and not them. And I was like, hmm.

If you hear any of the stories, they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here and he started working with us and eventually he died in the natural causes. But it's all speculation because we're, you know, we're hearing all this stuff, but we don't have any way to verify.

If you hear any of the stories, they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here and he started working with us and eventually he died in the natural causes. But it's all speculation because we're, you know, we're hearing all this stuff, but we don't have any way to verify.

Remember what I was telling you, that story about, you know, let's go get Jimmy? Yeah. The rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn't get back and if he didn't get home, really bad things were going to happen. And that guy just kind of felt like, you know, hey, I got kids. Right.

Remember what I was telling you, that story about, you know, let's go get Jimmy? Yeah. The rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn't get back and if he didn't get home, really bad things were going to happen. And that guy just kind of felt like, you know, hey, I got kids. Right.

Yeah. So when he got the chance, he was just like, You know, get him in there.

Yeah. So when he got the chance, he was just like, You know, get him in there.

So the rumors I heard, I didn't hear the portal part. I just heard that he somehow he was able to get him outside. And just as he got him outside, they just showed up above and did a snatch and grab and he was gone. And next thing you know, he's out there. So there's different versions.

So the rumors I heard, I didn't hear the portal part. I just heard that he somehow he was able to get him outside. And just as he got him outside, they just showed up above and did a snatch and grab and he was gone. And next thing you know, he's out there. So there's different versions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For someone to do something like that, I would have to believe they had something profound.

For someone to do something like that, I would have to believe they had something profound.

I would build that.

I would build that.

But I'd be terrified living in California with earthquakes and it being on those things.

But I'd be terrified living in California with earthquakes and it being on those things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, no.

No, no.

It was World War II, if I remember correctly.

It was World War II, if I remember correctly.

And there could have been some type of arrogance there because think about it. Based on our understanding, we believe that they've been coming here for thousands of years. Nothing's ever happened. And then all of a sudden –

And there could have been some type of arrogance there because think about it. Based on our understanding, we believe that they've been coming here for thousands of years. Nothing's ever happened. And then all of a sudden –

So that's an interesting thing, because I always one of the things that I wondered when we used to talk in the task force was if this is the you know, we're the alpha species here on Earth. So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet Think about what other critters and other things are running around.

So that's an interesting thing, because I always one of the things that I wondered when we used to talk in the task force was if this is the you know, we're the alpha species here on Earth. So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet Think about what other critters and other things are running around.

And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it's somebody who's got a dog like Psycho? All of a sudden, something goes, what was that? We just don't know. So we can speculate and everything and build all these hypotheses up, but we're constantly looking to add to what we think is out there so we can figure out going – Here's what we figured out. Here's what we haven't.

And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it's somebody who's got a dog like Psycho? All of a sudden, something goes, what was that? We just don't know. So we can speculate and everything and build all these hypotheses up, but we're constantly looking to add to what we think is out there so we can figure out going – Here's what we figured out. Here's what we haven't.

So we've all heard that, too. The other thing, too, about the dimensional thing, because of the speeds that they're moving at, it could be that they're moving so fast it looks like they slipped into a dimension. Because sometimes you'll see these things go off into the sky and then do some weird whatever and then they're gone. And then other times what you're seeing is...

So we've all heard that, too. The other thing, too, about the dimensional thing, because of the speeds that they're moving at, it could be that they're moving so fast it looks like they slipped into a dimension. Because sometimes you'll see these things go off into the sky and then do some weird whatever and then they're gone. And then other times what you're seeing is...

This thing is moving slowly, and then all of a sudden, it's gone. And you're like, did it just slip into another dimension, or is that there?

This thing is moving slowly, and then all of a sudden, it's gone. And you're like, did it just slip into another dimension, or is that there?

Yes. I have heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000 miles per hour plus, and were still accelerating. Wow. I've never been able to verify that, obviously, but these are some people that seem to know what they're talking about. And, you know, they just kind of come forward.

Yes. I have heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000 miles per hour plus, and were still accelerating. Wow. I've never been able to verify that, obviously, but these are some people that seem to know what they're talking about. And, you know, they just kind of come forward.

I would just have when I was on the task force, I would just get a phone call and said, hey, are you Mr. Logan? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're like, check your email in about five minutes. Or, hey, there's something I want to tell you. And I have no way of verifying it. But the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown.

I would just have when I was on the task force, I would just get a phone call and said, hey, are you Mr. Logan? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're like, check your email in about five minutes. Or, hey, there's something I want to tell you. And I have no way of verifying it. But the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown.

And maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify. what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on. We would look at primarily for the task force. We were looking at the safety of the pilots because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports, you know.

And maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify. what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on. We would look at primarily for the task force. We were looking at the safety of the pilots because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports, you know.

So we're like but and I remember asking the task force director, Jay Stratton, I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that's going on? And he says, I want to incorporate that, but I can't because with their stuff, we don't have a good chain of custody on what's happening. And if someone's manipulating the data with the stuff that's coming directly from the pilots, we can.

So we're like but and I remember asking the task force director, Jay Stratton, I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that's going on? And he says, I want to incorporate that, but I can't because with their stuff, we don't have a good chain of custody on what's happening. And if someone's manipulating the data with the stuff that's coming directly from the pilots, we can.

So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they saw. And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing.

So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they saw. And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing.

Because that's how I when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was I talked about my app and I was going to do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up. And then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keen and their story. And I went and found Lou and I said, if you're serious about what you're talking about.

Because that's how I when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was I talked about my app and I was going to do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up. And then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keen and their story. And I went and found Lou and I said, if you're serious about what you're talking about.

Stop by my office because I just wanted to see if he could do it. And he showed up with the gang and they presented their story about the pilots and everything. And we were like, OK. And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here? And they're like. How do you know about that? And I was like, I got friends in low places, kind of like you. And they looked at me and they said, don't worry.

Stop by my office because I just wanted to see if he could do it. And he showed up with the gang and they presented their story about the pilots and everything. And we were like, OK. And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here? And they're like. How do you know about that? And I was like, I got friends in low places, kind of like you. And they looked at me and they said, don't worry.

That one's, we've been told that something mundane is nothing important. And I was like, I beg to differ. And I was able to show them a video of the same thing, seeing somewhere in the world through civilian stuff. And I remember when they were leaving after they heard everything, and all of a sudden Lou just turns back around and goes, you're in. And I was like, in what? And he goes, you'll see.

That one's, we've been told that something mundane is nothing important. And I was like, I beg to differ. And I was able to show them a video of the same thing, seeing somewhere in the world through civilian stuff. And I remember when they were leaving after they heard everything, and all of a sudden Lou just turns back around and goes, you're in. And I was like, in what? And he goes, you'll see.

And next thing you know, I was in the task force. And for me, I was like, oh, my life just came full circle. I saw some things, and now I'm actually going to investigate these things? And so that's how I kind of pressed ahead. And then... Just to add, on top of that, remember I said when Jason showed up, I called David Grush, right?

And next thing you know, I was in the task force. And for me, I was like, oh, my life just came full circle. I saw some things, and now I'm actually going to investigate these things? And so that's how I kind of pressed ahead. And then... Just to add, on top of that, remember I said when Jason showed up, I called David Grush, right?

But the funny thing was I hadn't even been in the task force that long, and I was trying to look at things. All of a sudden I get a phone call, and I'm like, yeah, how can I help you? And he goes, my name is David Grush. are you serious about all this stuff you're tracking? And I go, yeah. He goes, I want in. And I was like, huh? And he goes, I think I have something that can help with you guys.

But the funny thing was I hadn't even been in the task force that long, and I was trying to look at things. All of a sudden I get a phone call, and I'm like, yeah, how can I help you? And he goes, my name is David Grush. are you serious about all this stuff you're tracking? And I go, yeah. He goes, I want in. And I was like, huh? And he goes, I think I have something that can help with you guys.

And I was like, well, I'm not in charge of this. I got to introduce you to, you know, Stratton and company. And so I introduced him and every now and then I would say hi to him and we'd talk and he called me on the phone. But Who else? I mean, I'm going to Stratton. I'm going to all the people in the task force. And he pops up and I'm like, oh, my God, what do you do with that?

And I was like, well, I'm not in charge of this. I got to introduce you to, you know, Stratton and company. And so I introduced him and every now and then I would say hi to him and we'd talk and he called me on the phone. But Who else? I mean, I'm going to Stratton. I'm going to all the people in the task force. And he pops up and I'm like, oh, my God, what do you do with that?

You know, I don't have the resources.

You know, I don't have the resources.

Yeah. I didn't have the resources to check out everything that he did.

Yeah. I didn't have the resources to check out everything that he did.

Yes.

Yes.

All I can say is that there's some really, really, good, clear, high def stuff out there that... Can't explain.

All I can say is that there's some really, really, good, clear, high def stuff out there that... Can't explain.

The first thing we're trying to do is go, okay, could that be Russia? Could that be China? OK, who else is there? And you go through your whole list. Then you once you put that off to the side, you go through. Now, what are we observing? And some of the things, you know, like Lou said, the five observables plus the six, which is, you know, the psychological effect on that.

The first thing we're trying to do is go, okay, could that be Russia? Could that be China? OK, who else is there? And you go through your whole list. Then you once you put that off to the side, you go through. Now, what are we observing? And some of the things, you know, like Lou said, the five observables plus the six, which is, you know, the psychological effect on that.

But you're kind of going through those looking for all those. They're not always there. Yeah, but they're super clear. And some of them you're like how I mean, you look at it, you just keep saying. How can that be?

But you're kind of going through those looking for all those. They're not always there. Yeah, but they're super clear. And some of them you're like how I mean, you look at it, you just keep saying. How can that be?

It could be where it's at, those type things. It could be anything.

It could be where it's at, those type things. It could be anything.

From that, James found out about me and said, okay, we need to talk. So him and Leslie Keen approached me, and I was like, yeah. But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton. Everybody was ganging up around him, and he was like, why are you asking me? Logan worked for me. And everybody went, yeah. And he's like, okay, I guess I'm out.

From that, James found out about me and said, okay, we need to talk. So him and Leslie Keen approached me, and I was like, yeah. But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton. Everybody was ganging up around him, and he was like, why are you asking me? Logan worked for me. And everybody went, yeah. And he's like, okay, I guess I'm out.

I was telling him in my – my first thing as an intel analyst is to go friend or foe. Right. And then the next thing I'm trying to do is break down all the characteristics. And we would sit there and you're looking. When I first joined the task force, I remember there was a group that I used to walk in their office because they're smarter than me. So I want to make sure I'm getting the best input.

I was telling him in my – my first thing as an intel analyst is to go friend or foe. Right. And then the next thing I'm trying to do is break down all the characteristics. And we would sit there and you're looking. When I first joined the task force, I remember there was a group that I used to walk in their office because they're smarter than me. So I want to make sure I'm getting the best input.

Yeah. The first couple of times I showed up, everybody pulled out the aluminum hats. They started playing the X-Files music. And I'm like, okay, guys, but what about this? And I throw it out there, and they're like, oh, yeah, what is that? After about the fourth or fifth visit, no more music. I come in. Everybody's already hunched over what I've already sent them. They're like, yeah, what is that?

Yeah. The first couple of times I showed up, everybody pulled out the aluminum hats. They started playing the X-Files music. And I'm like, okay, guys, but what about this? And I throw it out there, and they're like, oh, yeah, what is that? After about the fourth or fifth visit, no more music. I come in. Everybody's already hunched over what I've already sent them. They're like, yeah, what is that?

Because we would – Jay Stratton asked us to – he said, lean forward and get out there and use an all-source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find. So I would capture like – I would call up a drone guy and say, I need you to come to my office. Take a look at this. And he would look at it and he's like, holy crap. How big is that? What? How?

Because we would – Jay Stratton asked us to – he said, lean forward and get out there and use an all-source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find. So I would capture like – I would call up a drone guy and say, I need you to come to my office. Take a look at this. And he would look at it and he's like, holy crap. How big is that? What? How?

And I was like, yeah, I need answers. Can you take a look? And he would, Logan, I'll get back to you. A couple weeks later, he's like, dude, I got nothing. And then, you know, we would have an imagery guy look at it. And, you know, sometimes they could sit there and say, dude, that's this.

And I was like, yeah, I need answers. Can you take a look? And he would, Logan, I'll get back to you. A couple weeks later, he's like, dude, I got nothing. And then, you know, we would have an imagery guy look at it. And, you know, sometimes they could sit there and say, dude, that's this.

I think Lou Elizondo described one. There's the story that he talks about, I think Commander Fravor discusses about the torpedo. Do you remember that one? The story is that they were launching torpedoes and... You know, they blew the ballast on the torpedo. The torpedo came up to the top and the divers came to hook the torpedo.

And just as they were about to hook it, something very large, like an island, came up underneath them. All right. So I get this weird call. And it's you have to play devil's advocate because when you when you're trying to tell guys that there were they were the observer and you're trying to say, hey, well, you know, it could have been this. Some of these guys get downright angry.

They're pissed because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on. They were there. You weren't. You know, so you've seen something life changing. Right. So you have to be careful because after a while, nobody will want to talk to you again because, oh, Logan's an asshole because he, you know. So you're very careful. So this guy just sends me this thing.

And I'm looking at it, and I just... Maybe a couple weeks before, I'd heard this story with Fravor and Elizondo. So I'm like, what is this? And there was this... All I can say was there was something very, very, very large moving under the water, but not too far that you can't see it. But it's moving under the water, and it's passing objects that...

And it's disturbing the water underneath it.

You go out in the boonies somewhere or you go... Like, there's a whole bunch of activity going on around Puerto Rico.

Yeah. There's a whole bunch of activity that is going on, you know, where the Nimitz incident happened, all right? So there's things that we want to verify because you hear stories about things. Like, you've heard of the Baltic anomaly, all right? So the first thing you want to know is... Well, first of all, is it actually there?

Once you verify that it's there, you want to know... What's its composition? What's its composition? All those things. There's another thing on there. You can look it up right now. It's called the Cuban Atlantis. It's supposed to be 13 nautical miles west of Cuba, all right? And it looks like there's triangles and everything else there. And I'm like...

From the moment that thing came out, I've never heard anybody else say, we've been there. We've checked it out. We've verified it. It's there. Let's send a dive team down. The thing on the right there. That's it, yeah.

Yeah. That's supposedly 13 miles off the coast of Cuba. Well, that's what we want to know. Yeah. We want to verify that. That's crazy. You know?

Wait a minute. Is that for real? Why have I never even seen that before? All the other ones I'm thinking are fake, but this one up top right there where the thing is.

Yeah.

Right. That's a good way to put it, Jamie. There's no vibe. Bad vibes, man. There was some people doing something coming across the water. Puerto Rico UFO. And they saw it. So could it be that the Caribbean- We analyzed this one. Yeah. The Caribbean's hot. Oh, wow. And there's something out there. Skip ahead.

Yeah. That's very weird. Even this one, we've looked at it.

But it just went right in the water. The two things that stick out about this. That's what's nuts is it goes in the water. It does. There's no rooster tail. It's going fast in the water. Yeah, there's no rooster tail that comes off it. And the other thing is at one point near the end, it actually looks like it splits in two.

Yes.

Logan? I am at phenom.earth. Just look it up and you'll see information about my app and a little bit about my background.

James Fox did ask me to pass you something. He said if you could put out a shout-out to anybody – that has information on the Varhenia stuff because he's found some new information and he needs to start corroborating it.

Yeah.

So my biggest question, anytime someone brings up NHI aliens, my first thing is, which one? Which one? Because they talk about it as if it's one entity. Oh, they did that. Oh, they did this. But when you break it down, we're hearing some like us and want us to evolve. Some don't like us and want us to kind of...

Pull back. And they want to control certain things. So I'm like, well, which one? And then they look at me with that deer in the headlight and look like, oh, I don't know.

However, we could be the greatest show in this part of the universe. I'm sure we're a great show. I mean, imagine when we talk about the things with the nuclear bombs where the missile silos, they started counting down or whatever. Maybe it's like, hey, hmm. Let's see how far they'll go if we do this.

And everybody gets all excited. And then I was like, OK, we're just kidding. We'll turn it off and go from there.

And we protect the turtles in that one little area that EPA says, oh, no, you can't mess with those turtles.

But if we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon Musk says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, that's huge.

It could be better than Red Bull.

That's a war right there. That's a war right there. People are going to be like, how come they have it? We don't. Right. There'll be water wars.

Or maybe they really do pass by and keep their doors closed. And locks. Right.

So along those lines, it's those things that you talked about, those are the things that inherently make us human.

Those are the things that inherently make us human. So the question would be – Depending on which NHL you're thinking about, what inherently makes them them and how compatible are we in what we're looking at? Because those could be some of the things that attract them to us or detract them away from us.

And there's no bones there, so... You know, you're not going to find any fossils anywhere. Yeah. But if you think about some of the things that we're being told now, 99 percent of all life that lived before is all gone now. Right. So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there.

There's something similar because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's a draconian or if it's a mantis. They're all standing upright. So is that a part of the grand design that is as intelligent as you get further up the food chain?

You start to stand on your two legs and whatever. And then I think about if it's a mantis, whatever, how do they build their ships if they don't really have opposable thumbs and, you know? Those are the things that we're always taught. These are the things that make us unique as humans, and we can build things, and that's why the other animals didn't.

The only other animal out there is what, the chimpanzee or the gorilla or something, primates. But obviously nature finds a way, and it's not human nature. It's something other type of nature, and they do something else.

All I know is that crabs do.

Lobsters and crabs, all I think of them is just armored spiders. Yeah, they're bugs. And if you think about when they said that the oxygen level was at 30, 35 percent and some other stuff, they're saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs. I'm like, yeah, that's not a place I'd like to live.

No, all I've heard... Basic, yes.

That's not what I was going to say. All I've heard is that there's been...

Wow. And I have a question about all those things, because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that's not what they're putting into your head? Because like what they experienced at a skinwalker ranch when they saw them. the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear.

And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature. So if someone can put fear into you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things? And I'm not saying that it's not genuine, but Part of being on the task force, you have to question everything.

Yes.

100%.

I got asked a question, and they said, if you were going to go to Congress and say, here's what we need to know about the UAP experience, what would you tell everybody? That's a good question. And my answer was, we don't need you anymore. Because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves.

Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people, like you, you said you don't trust the government anymore. There's people, they don't trust the government at all in this other thing. So they're like, let's reach out by ourselves. You've got people doing, you know, RV and out-of-the-body experience and all that other stuff.

You've got people that are being contacted directly. So now they're trying to say things. And also, too, we're evolving, right? So as we're evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this? Please don't take this the wrong way because people get angry. It's kind of like the Catholic Church.

I was always told, if you want to talk to God, you talk to God. But then why do I need a priest? Right. You know, so the government's always been the middleman. So do we really still need him?

So why wouldn't you try it? If you think it's real. I tell everybody I'm black and I'm afraid of the woo. Okay. But at some point, I know I'm going to have to embrace it because it is part of the experience. So, like, I'm good friends with Travis Taylor.

And when we first started talking, he was like, okay, I'd like to talk to you about coming out to the ranch, you and some of your friends, your Intel guys. And we talked about it. And then I kind of put it up in the room and said, hey, guys, if we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go? And all the white people put their hands up right away.

All the black people were like in the corner going, now let's think about this. What are you actually asking? And I sat there and I go, why is it that we're so reserved about going? And I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens, you embrace it. But you don't run towards it because whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else.

And now you're interfering when you run towards it.

Yes.

It would ruin your whole life. Remember that movie with Ben Affleck? I think it was called Chasing Amy. Chasing Amy. I remember the name. I don't remember the movie. Not that Amy. But there was something that was said in there that always made me think. After you have a first experience, and in this particular case, there was talking about your first orgasm.

You're always chasing after that first best feeling that you ever had. You're never going to get there, but you're chasing it.

Yes.

Yes. So if you're one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world. Yeah. you can't really explain it to everybody else. So you're looking for something else to make it seem real because you start questioning everything that you know. And that's how I was.

My first experience was when I was a kid in England and me and a friend were just throwing the ball back and forward. And you know, in the old days, people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines. So I just happened to see that there was some sneakers up there. And then all of a sudden I look off in the distance and there's this UAP UFO that looks like an iron.

that you would iron your clothes with. The whole bottom part was glowing. The top part was just dullish great, because England had great skies.

Yes. So it had a hump to it? It kind of had a hump to it. So I'm sitting there going, well, what is that? And he goes, that's got to be a helicopter, because it's just standing there. And I was like, but I don't hear any noise. And then next thing you know, we saw, I believe it was two F-4 jets coming, because you could hear them. Those engines are loud.

And these two jets come out, and this thing just goes, and this is when I was living in Nottingham, England, because I'm British by birth, all right? So, you know, our parents were like, eh, too much imagination, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I just kind of kept it in the back of my head. And then I saw things later, and I just kept questioning them.

And finally it was like, I'm really going to have to look into this. So how old were you? I was about 10.

We talked about this.

We don't want to be fools. So I believe, and this is just my belief, not anybody's, but I believe from the mid 1950s all the way up to the mid 1990s, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and going to the schools. Because remember the Ruins? The Zimbabwe. Right. That one's crazy.

All the way to adulthood. They remember it. Yeah. And then there's the stuff in Australia. There's the stuff in England. There's the stuff in France. It's constantly. I think. The Australian one's real similar too, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think his name was Preston Dennett. He wrote a book. I hope your viewers read it or take a look at it. It's like the top 100 school sightings.

And half of it is based on just the sighting. Another part of it is based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with the kids. And I sat there just thinking, were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back? So we're not so afraid. The kids are more open minded. I'm not sure, but you have to think about those things and go, hmm.

Aren't you arsing the whole thing?

So those were some of the things that we just started thinking about and going, well, what if? And then I hate to play what if games because my favorite what if is what if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't mess with them. But you have to play that game sometime and just kind of draw it out and then see if it –

If you have a hypothesis that can start repeating itself and then you go, hey, there is something to this.

So all those things that happened to those kids, we don't know if it was... I mean, we're hearing stories now that they can mess with your mind. We don't know if they're pushing these kids forward mentally. We don't know if they're, you know, dumbing them down because they know that these kids are going to be the ones that are going to make a difference.

Because it all depends on what you're going to try with them. Well, they're all adults now, right? Yes.

I have not gone to check any of that. But one of the things that coincides with that, that I kind of... I think there was... Exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to get noticed. And I think even if you're exceptional, you may not have fit the right block to get noticed so that someone would sit there and go, hey, what's going on in your past, whatever.

And then there's a lot of these people they just don't want to talk about because of whatever the stigma. But now that the stigma is being lifted, You know, who knows? Maybe Elon Musk will come up with something.

Yep.

I agree with you.

But there's still the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious. And when I was growing up, they're like, God is omnipotent. God knows everything. God doesn't make mistakes and everything. And then I was like, that's not exactly true.

But if you think that God is omnipotent and he's communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leaders of a church have different views on how we're supposed to talk to God? Right.

So those are the typical grays, but I heard in South America there were people that they showed that picture to him. They called them the ant people because they said they came from underground.

And the vast majority of those children that saw UAP, that came down to their school, if there was an entity that was there, it was usually the typical gray-looking ones that were there.

The pictures that we're seeing for Varhenia, this one had red eyes. And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted me, a mutual friend that we talked about. Oh, okay. He was talking about something known as the Dover Demon. And it's over by Dover, Delaware. And there was supposed to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature.

And it looked a lot like the Varhenia creature with the red eyes and red eyes. Whatever. So he was asking.

That's the Dover. Yeah.

Yeah. But he said it had bright red eyes. Oh, fun. Imagine that.

Right. So the question was. Blowing eyes.

Right.

So I told Travis, if you ever get me to come to Skinwalker Ranch, I said, know that I've got a plan. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I said, I will not be the slowest runner. However, I will not be the fastest runner because I don't know what's really going on there. I don't want to run from one thing into another. So I'm going to make sure I have an escape plan.

Oh, you did? Yeah.

I've had a similar case. So every March I go to Seaside, Oregon, because they have a paranormal conference. And I I'm not into the paranormal stuff, but my friends are. So I want to listen and I want to learn. Because this is me trying to get over my fear of going in there.

No, the paranormal because of certain things that I've heard from when I was a kid. And you have to overcome some of those childhood fears and stuff like that.

So when I was there, I was talking about my app and all this other stuff. And these two Asian ladies were watching me walk on the stage. And I was like, why are they looking at me like that? I was like, is my fly down or something? What did I do? And as soon as I stepped off the stage, they said, Mr. Logan, what are they? What are they? And I was like, what do you mean?

She pulls out on her phone the most beautiful, pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway. And I'm like, what happened there? And she said, it was my birthday. And she said, all my family was there. And she said, but I got tired, so I was laying down. And she said, I heard like this electrical discharge going on. And she said, it came right through her wall, started floating across her room.

She said, it got to her doorway. She screamed. And all her family came, and the son, I guess it was, took the picture of the orb. And I was so amazed by her story, I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture.

This was like two years ago.

Yeah. It was an iPhone. They were from Northern California, and they drove up to this thing. And I'm just like, so what happened? She said it actually sat there and did this like a heartbeat, getting bigger and smaller. Whoa. And then she said it just kind of went back out the way it came in. And she goes... What are they? You were on the task force. Don't you know about these things?

And I was like, whoa, you know, we're not omnipotent. We're trying to learn just like you are. And every year I've been back there twice now. And every year I go, hey, if those two ladies are in here, can we talk? And they haven't shown back up. But he sounded just like your story of what happened to this other individual.

You would have made a good analyst. Maybe. Because the thing that we're trying to do as the all-source analyst is to look at all aspects of what happened. And sometimes people just go in there, well, I mean, the thing that really upsets me is when I was part of the task force was someone just handing me a picture and just going, so what is it?

No context, no nothing. You're just like...

It can't be fake. I don't know what the fuck that is.

I don't know if you've had any mental issues. Right, right. I mean, someone showed me something that it was a button on a glass. And at first I was like, that looks really intriguing. But there was something about it that was just, it wasn't quite right. And I'm like, I think this is fake, but I don't know why. And then finally the guy said, yeah, you know, button on a glass, you know.

Yes. There's that autistic kid that does that really good pictures.

There's an autistic kid out there that – That's all he does. That's all he does. He gets miniature cars and puts them in a real background.

Okay.

Yeah, that's the kid, 13-year-old kid. There you go.

This kind of falls into the area, too, of...

When you do see a UAP, something about it is what's telling you that it's a UAP, but you're also looking in your mind's memory bank to say, this is fake, this can't be real because it's not doing X, it's not doing whatever. And then sometimes you end up going... It's just not real. I'm throwing it out of my head.

And then all of a sudden someone either tells you something that makes you go back and go, oh, my God, that thing did that. So maybe it was real. Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you're like, oh, OMG. And now... Your whole thing, your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you're like, I did see that.

Stolen valor. Yeah.

So when he first showed up, I was one of the first people to get his – He knows my whole history, man. When he first showed up, first thing I read through everything, I was like – hmm, I'm gonna have to run a background check on this guy.

Right, and then I was like, so I did the basics, and then I called up David Grush, and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you. I can't do anything with this guy because there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check, but boy, you gotta listen to what this guy has to say. And from there, David took it on, and I was like, he came back to me and goes,

Well, this guy looks to be the real deal. And I was like, holy crap.

There's actually a recording that goes with it where you hear the guys going, hey, does anybody know what this is? What's going on here? Can we hear that?

We're throwing everything at him. We're like, is it this? Is it this? And he's like, no. That's the one.

This is the best image that we have of what he could have looked like. Oh, boy. Can you send that to Jamie? Yeah, I don't know Jamie's number, but we'll find a way to...

We had an interesting talk about this. There's a video online where it shows, like, some gray kind of strung up, and they're asking him questions and whatever. And I was asking him, I said... If you were in NHI and you saw that, and this is what the humans are broadcasting. Sorry. It's okay. And this is what the humans are broadcasting. I said... I'd be like, yo, they got Jimmy.

Look what they're doing to Jimmy. Right. It's on. We're going to Earth. We're going to go get Jimmy back.

I truly believe it is fake because like we've- It looks so fake. Everybody says- It looks like a puppet. Yeah. They talk telepathically. And here he is. Oh, here's this voice coming out to whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's- So we've always assumed that they've got the same type of – some type of emotions, a lot like us, but maybe they're much more controlled, much more refined.

Kind of like how we can – not that I'm saying – Kind of like us now versus us 50,000 years ago. Yeah.

Yeah. But I didn't know what I was seeing. But, you know, like after the program came out, I mean, not came out, but after James Fox finished editing everything, he says, well, you haven't seen everything put together. So here you go. And, you know, tell me if you don't like the way you look or whatever. Yeah.

and I'm going through it, and he starts showing, I see the stuff about Calvin, the Calvin Scotland image. Have you seen that one? Yes, yes. So that image was taken, if I remember correctly, in August 1990.

You can just type in Calvin UFO whatever. So I had just cross-trained from, yeah, that one. I had just cross-trained from... maintenance into intelligence, and I was going to my first intel assignment. And I'm flying from Philadelphia to Frankfurt, Germany, to Rheinland Air Base. Somewhere between Iceland and Scotland, This thing is zipping around in the clouds doing this ziggy-zaggy thing.

I don't know what it was doing, but it was doing this. The sun was just coming up, and I'm eating a Philly cheesesteak, and the other guy who's with me is eating a hoagie, and the other guy that's standing up over the top, I'm like, anybody know what that is? And they're like, dude, what is that? And then all of a sudden in my head, I'm like, oh, this is my first Intel assignment.

I'm going to get clued into some cool ass shit. But I don't know what the hell that is. But I'm just thinking it looks just like that. It looks just like that. And the way it was moving in the clouds, it was like because the shadow was like going from like that color to like dark. And then light again as it was moving in. And it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector.

And I'm like, what is that? So didn't know what was going on. So I called James back. I was like, dude, dude, where is this? Talk to me. We're all excited. And he goes, explain to me everything. And what happened was I got to my unit. And I talk to them and I go, we have a weapons tactics guy. He's, you know, they're the best of the best and they're leading the group.

And I was like, so what is that thing out there? And he goes, I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, this is in January of 1990. That picture is August of 1990. And what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave, I don't know if you're familiar with that, a whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over Belgium for almost a whole year. So they just call it the Belgian wave.

Police officers saw it. They launched F-16s after him, whatever.

No, but the general that's in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the F-16 radar was seeing. And I guess every time they tried to get close to it, it would just pull away just far enough, you know, that they couldn't catch it. And then when they would try to cage it in the radar system, it would move to the left. You know, it was playing with them. So...

But I didn't know any of that. So I just kind of was like, yeah, OK, I'm stupid. Maybe it was part of my imagination. But what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head. So dead the storm happens, whatever. And I'm at my base and British AWACS shows up. And they're looking at me, and I still had my accent, my British accent. They're looking at me going, what are you flying with the Yanks for?

And I go, what do you mean? They said, you know, and I told them my family thing. They said, why don't you come fly with us? I'm like, sure. Let me ask my boss. My boss says, you ain't got nothing going on. Go fly with them. So we're flying around, and finally I go, hey, guys. What's up? what's that thing in the sky that does the ziggy-zaggy thing? Do you know what I'm talking about?

And they're like, you know. And I was like, no, I don't know. Don't play with me. And they're like, come on, Logan, you know. And then finally they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe, all the aircraft flying around. And you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast, like all the other aircraft, the sweep of the radar, you're just seeing these minute movements.

This thing is like, it's gone. And I was like, who's that? And they go, you do. I was like, look, stop playing with me. Come to find out, they said, well, that's your SR-71. And I was like, well, that ain't him. And they're like, okay. And then he looks at the other guy and he said, show him the other one.

So I am a— Pull this up to your face. I'm sorry. It's okay. So I'm also a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force. Started off as a B-52 crew chief, cross-trained into intel, retired after 21 1⁄2, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force, and I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people and—

And they show me this radar scoping in, and this time there's a target in the middle of, not in the middle of the screen, but off to the side. It was like, could have been like East Germany or whatever. But every sweep of the radar, he was somewhere else. And I was like, that guy. I was so excited. I said, that MF right there. Yeah. Who's that guy? And they go, you know.

I was like, look, stop this. I don't know. And they finally said, we don't know either. They said, we just assumed it was you Americans playing with us. We don't know. That's what happens a lot of times. Yeah.

We heard about it, but I didn't see it.

It does. It stinks. It's a poor explanation. Yeah. I actually had— A person that was up there and she said one of those things came down low and slow over our house. And she said it had the sound of a helicopter. So she was like her and her husband were like, oh, you know, it's a helicopter. But then all of a sudden they realized she said, Mr. Logan, were you ever air crew?

I said, yeah, I was in special ops and I flew on helicopters and da da da da. And she goes. When it came down low, it had the sound of a helicopter, but you couldn't feel it. And I go, huh? She goes, you know when you can feel the rotor wash and it's hitting you in your chest? She said there was none of that. She said it came down slow, low over her house, and then it went back up.

And then she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else. And she said... That's not any drone I know of. And she said it sounded like the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all prerecorded just to make them sound like they were conventional aircraft.

So when they initially came out, they said, oh, they're all manned. All right. I think it was John Kirby that was the speaker. And I used to work at the FAA. So my first thing was, well, if they're manned, you just call them up and say, cut it out.

Simple. Right. But it kept going on. And then later on, there was a report that DHS said. oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot, but DHS has assessed it's just a regular drone. So when you hear that, what are you thinking? DJI Mavic, something small, whatever.

Someone on X is on a train going by that exact same spot, and they show a drone next to two police cars, and this thing is as big as the police car. And I'm like, so I have no way of confirming if that's what it really was.

But I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving. He said, he goes, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm passing that mall right now, and take a look. And it's like maybe a 30-second clip or something, and you see this thing. It's as big as the SUVs.

It looked kind of like a gondola with large blades on the four corners.

Very large conventional drone. And so I'm sitting there thinking... Was this a test that nobody knew about? What is going on? And nobody got any answers.

While he's talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do want to mention is when I talked to that AWACS group, I thought it was kind of interesting because I said, so how many know about this? And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it. And I was like, what? He says, yeah, but we just don't talk about it because people lose their jobs over this. And I was like, I've heard that as well.

And I was like, so this is an AWAC. And I said, am I to assume that if you're a British AWAC, then American AWACs can see it, French AWACs can see it, NATO AWACs can see it? And he just kind of, yeah.

And everybody just says it's got to be America.

It kind of makes sense because there was so much drone activity. Here's the thing that I – I got to look at it from an analyst point of view. The first thing that came up, I was like – so they knew this the whole time. Why couldn't they have said that from the very beginning?

Right. Right. And then two, why were they required to have a skiff briefing on drones? Nobody's ever answered that. At one point, Congress guys all went into a skiff and got a skiff briefing on drones.

That's my point. Explain a SCIF to people that don't know what we're talking about. A SCIF is a place for information above secret. And it's a special compartmented intelligence facility where we can go in there and talk about things that are above the secret.

No phones, no nothing. Right. But the thing is this. I mean, most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we're going to look at it and say something's not quite right here because this is something domestic happening over the U.S. So would it really require a SCIF?

Right.

So would it really require that level of security to go on and have these guys talk? It just doesn't make any sense.

And then there's still the problem with these drones popping up all over the world, especially over military facilities. And that part's not been addressed. It's just the other stuff that they, you know. Right.

Wright-Patterson, Langley Air Force Base, there's others. And then there's reports of stuff in Australia. There's reports of things in other places in the world.

You have no idea how many people have said that already. Yeah. You're going in the right direction.

And then there was the guy – the congressman that said, oh, there's an Iranian mothership out there. And we were like, what?

Yeah. None of this stuff was making any sense. And then you have to wonder – Where was he getting his intel? Because if it's that crappy, those people need to be fired.

You could have just done a NOTAM and just said, hey, we're going to be doing a test in this area. Don't want to scare anybody or whatever, but we're just going to do a test in this area.

But why would you – if you know the truth, why would you leave the Americans afraid of what's flying over their head?

And speak for the American government for that if you're not officially a part of it.

I'd like to add something here. Someone gave me an analogy to say, think of it as There's a type of metal that is totally non-magnetic. But as soon as you put a current through it, it becomes magnetic. All right. And he said, imagine this. You're in Roswell. You're cruising along. You're checking out everybody doing their thing.

No? He's in a different class than me. He's an official whistleblower. Me, I just step forward to say that I don't think – We need the government to do this. I think we as the public need to do this. And I created an app to do that. I was hoping that. What is your app? My app is called Fina. It's an app to report UAP paranormal encrypted like events.

And the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded. and then look for the outliers and get people like Jacques Vallee and Dr. Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff and others, the graybeards, to look at it and say, okay, here's what we can figure out. You know, Gary Nolan and all these people. Let's get them the information that they need.

And then after we get them the information they need, let's get it out to academia so we can have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on. I wanted people to use my app on the drones. Some people did, but not enough. And I had a little bit of a problem because when I put it out on Android, There was only one other app that was close to it that was in the same name.

Go back there. There's like almost 10 apps with the same name, so people didn't know what was going on.

And then because remember that night there was a huge electrical storm. That's one of the big things they keep talking about. If one of those things gets hit and all of a sudden they slam together because now they're magnetic. And then they bounce off. And that's why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the one that landed somewhere else.

Kind of like large dogs that die early because of their heart problem. Right.

So that was what someone told me. Now, I've never been able to figure out if that's the actual truth. But the two most likely possibilities is that one.

I had to listen to that. And the thing is, we don't know if it's because of their appearance. You know, you would assume something that's reptilian is maybe a demon or whatever, and a Nordic with the blonde hair, blue eyed is considered like an angel. Or is it that's just our perception? But that's what you hear.

It's horrific.

I thought that was funny because the lady was like, my snake sleeps with me every night. And the guy says, no, it's laying next to you because it's sizing you up for eventually a chance when it's going to eat you.

So they could be seen that way. But here's here's something that someone we were just talking and throwing ideas at each other. He said, if humans have actually been on the earth, like, say, this long.

All right. When the dinosaurs were here, they were like, yeah, this long. So is it possible that some of them could have evolved to a certain point? Know that something bad is going to happen. They're so advanced, they go off world and then they come back and go, hey, what happened here?

Yes. Because remember back in the day there used to be an Omni magazine? All right. One of those hypotheses was if mammals like us hadn't shown up, what would we have looked like? And it shows a... lizard walking upright and doing everyday things.

That's the assumption. But now we're going back and looking at all kinds of different things. They said that maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs. Maybe it was a combination of things like There was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water, and all at the same time, maybe the asteroid was the catalyst to start it.

And then all these other things that happened after, you know, the fireball, all the other stuff. But if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that's an asteroid. It's going to kick our butt. Or let's go under, you know, because there's some legit looking things that can go underwater and do their thing.

Because I heard a story. Why not?

Yeah.

I just heard a story that someone just said, imagine this. The aliens are coming down. There's another society here that lives on the ground, highly advanced. And they like to keep things the way they are. So they're going to direct all their energy to make sure that the NHI that we're seeing are paying attention to us and not them. And I was like, hmm.

If you hear any of the stories, they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here and he started working with us and eventually he died in the natural causes. But it's all speculation because we're, you know, we're hearing all this stuff, but we don't have any way to verify.

Remember what I was telling you, that story about, you know, let's go get Jimmy? Yeah. The rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn't get back and if he didn't get home, really bad things were going to happen. And that guy just kind of felt like, you know, hey, I got kids. Right.

Yeah. So when he got the chance, he was just like, You know, get him in there.

So the rumors I heard, I didn't hear the portal part. I just heard that he somehow he was able to get him outside. And just as he got him outside, they just showed up above and did a snatch and grab and he was gone. And next thing you know, he's out there. So there's different versions.

Yeah.

For someone to do something like that, I would have to believe they had something profound.

I would build that.

But I'd be terrified living in California with earthquakes and it being on those things.

Yeah.

No, no.

It was World War II, if I remember correctly.

And there could have been some type of arrogance there because think about it. Based on our understanding, we believe that they've been coming here for thousands of years. Nothing's ever happened. And then all of a sudden –

So that's an interesting thing, because I always one of the things that I wondered when we used to talk in the task force was if this is the you know, we're the alpha species here on Earth. So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet Think about what other critters and other things are running around.

And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it's somebody who's got a dog like Psycho? All of a sudden, something goes, what was that? We just don't know. So we can speculate and everything and build all these hypotheses up, but we're constantly looking to add to what we think is out there so we can figure out going – Here's what we figured out. Here's what we haven't.

So we've all heard that, too. The other thing, too, about the dimensional thing, because of the speeds that they're moving at, it could be that they're moving so fast it looks like they slipped into a dimension. Because sometimes you'll see these things go off into the sky and then do some weird whatever and then they're gone. And then other times what you're seeing is...

This thing is moving slowly, and then all of a sudden, it's gone. And you're like, did it just slip into another dimension, or is that there?

Yes. I have heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000 miles per hour plus, and were still accelerating. Wow. I've never been able to verify that, obviously, but these are some people that seem to know what they're talking about. And, you know, they just kind of come forward.

I would just have when I was on the task force, I would just get a phone call and said, hey, are you Mr. Logan? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're like, check your email in about five minutes. Or, hey, there's something I want to tell you. And I have no way of verifying it. But the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown.

And maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify. what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on. We would look at primarily for the task force. We were looking at the safety of the pilots because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports, you know.

So we're like but and I remember asking the task force director, Jay Stratton, I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that's going on? And he says, I want to incorporate that, but I can't because with their stuff, we don't have a good chain of custody on what's happening. And if someone's manipulating the data with the stuff that's coming directly from the pilots, we can.

So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they saw. And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing.

Because that's how I when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was I talked about my app and I was going to do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up. And then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keen and their story. And I went and found Lou and I said, if you're serious about what you're talking about.

Stop by my office because I just wanted to see if he could do it. And he showed up with the gang and they presented their story about the pilots and everything. And we were like, OK. And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here? And they're like. How do you know about that? And I was like, I got friends in low places, kind of like you. And they looked at me and they said, don't worry.

That one's, we've been told that something mundane is nothing important. And I was like, I beg to differ. And I was able to show them a video of the same thing, seeing somewhere in the world through civilian stuff. And I remember when they were leaving after they heard everything, and all of a sudden Lou just turns back around and goes, you're in. And I was like, in what? And he goes, you'll see.

And next thing you know, I was in the task force. And for me, I was like, oh, my life just came full circle. I saw some things, and now I'm actually going to investigate these things? And so that's how I kind of pressed ahead. And then... Just to add, on top of that, remember I said when Jason showed up, I called David Grush, right?

But the funny thing was I hadn't even been in the task force that long, and I was trying to look at things. All of a sudden I get a phone call, and I'm like, yeah, how can I help you? And he goes, my name is David Grush. are you serious about all this stuff you're tracking? And I go, yeah. He goes, I want in. And I was like, huh? And he goes, I think I have something that can help with you guys.

And I was like, well, I'm not in charge of this. I got to introduce you to, you know, Stratton and company. And so I introduced him and every now and then I would say hi to him and we'd talk and he called me on the phone. But Who else? I mean, I'm going to Stratton. I'm going to all the people in the task force. And he pops up and I'm like, oh, my God, what do you do with that?

You know, I don't have the resources.

Yeah. I didn't have the resources to check out everything that he did.

Yes.

All I can say is that there's some really, really, good, clear, high def stuff out there that... Can't explain.

The first thing we're trying to do is go, okay, could that be Russia? Could that be China? OK, who else is there? And you go through your whole list. Then you once you put that off to the side, you go through. Now, what are we observing? And some of the things, you know, like Lou said, the five observables plus the six, which is, you know, the psychological effect on that.

But you're kind of going through those looking for all those. They're not always there. Yeah, but they're super clear. And some of them you're like how I mean, you look at it, you just keep saying. How can that be?

It could be where it's at, those type things. It could be anything.

From that, James found out about me and said, okay, we need to talk. So him and Leslie Keen approached me, and I was like, yeah. But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton. Everybody was ganging up around him, and he was like, why are you asking me? Logan worked for me. And everybody went, yeah. And he's like, okay, I guess I'm out.

I was telling him in my – my first thing as an intel analyst is to go friend or foe. Right. And then the next thing I'm trying to do is break down all the characteristics. And we would sit there and you're looking. When I first joined the task force, I remember there was a group that I used to walk in their office because they're smarter than me. So I want to make sure I'm getting the best input.

Yeah. The first couple of times I showed up, everybody pulled out the aluminum hats. They started playing the X-Files music. And I'm like, okay, guys, but what about this? And I throw it out there, and they're like, oh, yeah, what is that? After about the fourth or fifth visit, no more music. I come in. Everybody's already hunched over what I've already sent them. They're like, yeah, what is that?

Because we would – Jay Stratton asked us to – he said, lean forward and get out there and use an all-source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find. So I would capture like – I would call up a drone guy and say, I need you to come to my office. Take a look at this. And he would look at it and he's like, holy crap. How big is that? What? How?

And I was like, yeah, I need answers. Can you take a look? And he would, Logan, I'll get back to you. A couple weeks later, he's like, dude, I got nothing. And then, you know, we would have an imagery guy look at it. And, you know, sometimes they could sit there and say, dude, that's this.