Leon Nafok

It's, you know, everyone has had the same problems with...

whether it's OnlyFans or, you know, old school Victorian era prostitution.

It's always been like, this is something shameful.

This is something, why are you engaging in this as a consumer when you could be doing something in real life?

So for me, it's like, it's, it's like the one ring.

It's like all how you use it.

Actually, wait, that's a terrible analogy.

Cause that was only, that couldn't be used for good.

Okay.

Only Fantasy is the podcast.

Leon Nafok, Gracie Kanan, give it up for them.

Thank you.

And to these guys as well.

That was our conversation with Leon Nafok and Gracie Kanin at WBUR City Space as part of the WBUR Festival.

It was produced and co-hosted by me, Anne-Marie Sievertson, and Ben Brock-Johnson, and edited down just for you by producer Grace Tatter with mix and sound design by our production manager, Paul Vycus.

Thanks for listening.

We'll be back next week.

See you then.

I'm Leon Nafok, best known as the co-creator of Slow Burn and Fiasco.

I had, of course, heard of OnlyFans, but always with a distant and quiet skepticism, a silent judgment, you might say.