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Lester Holt

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Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

What did the defense say about it?

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

The defense really attacked the credibility of the hairbrush evidence.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

They zeroed in on concerns over chain of custody because it was found by Jake's daughter, Rachel.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

And they also argued that Jake could have been exposed to those chemicals in a number of ways, such as being a heavy smoker or working on cars, things like that.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Lots of things to consider.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

But obviously, the jury at Susan's first trial bought the poison theory and convicted her.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

But since her conviction was overturned, things have become a little more complicated, right?

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Yes.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

So that has been a huge twist in this case.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

The lab that came back with these results has been barred from doing forensic testing in criminal cases because of inaccurate results they provided in a different case in 2022.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Right.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

So when it came time for Susan's retrial, the judge ruled that prosecutors couldn't present the lab's tox report or any of its findings to the jury.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Yeah, we should point out the lab issue is part of the reason that Susan's second trial was stopped in its tracks in December.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Can you explain what happened there?

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Given the judge's ruling, anything that had to do with the tox report, any mention of the word antifreeze or other poisons allegedly found in Jake's hair sample was not supposed to be mentioned at all.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

But about an hour into his testimony, the coroner said the word antifreeze.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Our team said you could hear people gasp in the courtroom, and Susan's defense team immediately jumped on the coroner's slip-up, and they asked for a mistrial, and the judge agreed, and that brings us to where we are now.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

So, a lot to catch up on here.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

Trial three is now underway.

Dateline NBC
An urgent manhunt in Ohio. A widow stands trial a third time. Plus, a deep dive on arson investigations.

There is a new prosecutor in the case, and poison wasn't even mentioned in opening statements.