Lester Holt

And his whole point is about trust.

You've got to earn the trust with a suspect if you want to get anywhere.

that they committed the crime.

I love the way he talked about the false memories there because I think Dan and Keith, I think we really see it when he's in that interrogation room and he starts to

offer what they call a confession, he later says they were kind of directing the action.

They were kind of creating, and he was filling in holes.

So I looked at that, and to this day, I still wonder, was that really a confession as we think of it?

I think that's right.

And you're in an interrogation room.

It's something that it's a...

picture that's indelible on many a person's brain.

They've seen it in movies.

They've seen it on Dateline certainly many, many times.

And it usually doesn't go well for many of the people who end up being interrogated.

So just the idea of walking into one of these rooms and having two detectives confront you and trying to get you to

you know, trip up to say something that's contradictory.

So it's a pressure cooker.

And then you add, you know, some of the other stressors and it can lead to all kinds of bad outcomes.

It had to do with holiday programming, to be honest with you.

And now that you asked me that question, I'm racking my brain as to what program it was.