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Lewis Bollard

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
737 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so what they do is they give the breeding birds about 30% of the feed that the birds would eat on their own.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So they're like starving them 70%.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Because that is the only way to stop these birds from completely collapsing under the genetics that they've inflicted on them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Yeah, I mean, I've visited factory farms, and I will say it is every bit as bad as it looks on the videos you can find online.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

It is every bit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I mean, the addition you see is, well, first you hear the noise, the distress yelps from these animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

It smells awful.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

But the other thing I noticed, I visited one egg factory farm, and it's impossible for farmers to provide individual care to each of these birds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

This was a relatively well-run farm.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And yet I still found a whole lot of hens stuck in the wire.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And those hens are just going to slowly starve.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And indeed, many had.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

There were a lot of dead birds in with the live birds and other cages.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And that's just because of the scale.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

It's like one farmer is trying to look after 200,000 hens.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The only thing they can actually do is check the feed lines and check the water lines and remove some of the dead birds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And in fact, that is the work of a factory farmer is largely removing dead animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so it is just this dystopian thing where like the industry presents this picture of like, oh, we have like individual care for our animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And it's like the scale at which you were doing it has totally prohibited having any kind of individual care.