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Lewis Bollard

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
737 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They sell the image of this person out in the fields, tending to their chickens and their pigs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They don't realize these are factory farmers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And they're extremely well organized.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I mean, they have a very formidable lobbying presence in Washington, D.C.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

and across state capitals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And they have effectively used that to block any kind of regulation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

You know, there's this children's kids book rule of politics, which is you should never mess with a character in a children's book.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And, you know, that's the police, that's the doctors, that's the farmers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And I don't think there are any tech bros in the kids books yet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Yeah, this is a great point.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I think most people don't realize that the way these factory farms are structured is you have these giant corporations like Tyson Foods or Smithfield.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They mostly don't own their own farms.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Instead, they have these contract farmers who are essentially indentured laborers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I mean, they have a huge loan hanging over their head and they're farming.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So why would those people support this?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The answer is they often don't.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And I think the agribusiness lobbying associations have done a very good job of pretending they do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So they present themselves as representing the farmers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

But if you look at their boards, if you look at the people who are actually leading these organizations, it's made up of people from the giant agribusinesses and the very largest industrial farmers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They do not have small contract farmers on the boards of these organizations.