Lewis Goodall

in London and urban-facing seats where the Labour Party has dominated for 15 years, who say, we've got to take the green threat more seriously, we've got to sound more progressive, we've got to move to the left.

And then you're going to have sort of the Red Wall places where they've got reform breathing down their necks going, you've got to be joking.

I mean, you mentioned the EU, Emily, and this idea that Kyrgyzstan has been, you know, want to signal, get closer to the EU.

You're going to have a whole load of Red Wall voters who are going, what?

You must be joking.

This cannot be the time that we turn around to my constituents who were heavily Brexit voting and now voting for reform.

I mean, Angela Rayner...

And this is basically what the Labour Party's got to work out, right?

Which is that on paper, it's like the Reform Coalition now.

You've got Essex, you've got these places in the north of England, you've even got some in sort of semi-urban seats.

On paper, Scotland, Wales, it kind of looks like this isn't a coalition which should cohere.

But that's the point, right?

Successful political leaders do gel these unwieldy coalitions and Labour's got to find someone.

I don't think it can be Starmer, but if it is Starmer, he or they have got to find someone who can gel these two poles again.

I'm not going to bed.

You'd compare yourself to Nelson Mandela.

I'm not saying I follow people like that.

You do think you're a great man?

Of course.

Pretty anti-Semitic to suggest that there are Zionist puppet masters who control the media.