Lewis Goodall

Do you think AI, whether it's economic effects, political effects, what it is, is going to become more than it is now central to our politics?

And before we know where we are, they'll become so embedded in the world order that it's impossible to unpick.

Which is exactly what happened in the 19th century with European empires.

Do you think it is possible?

Do you think it is possible that we can, despite that asymmetry of knowledge, despite the enormous capital accumulation that they've managed to undertake, despite the fact that they already have consumed and are consuming and have plans to consume all of the resources you've talked about, do you still think that they can be brought to democratic heel?

Karen Howe your book is absolutely compelling and I've really enjoyed talking to you thank you so much for coming thank you so much

Well, some political books just leave you thinking about the world in a different way.

And those, to be honest, are the only political books worth reading.

Karen's book, Empire of AI, is certainly one of them and is out now.

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