Lewis Goodall

And so there are people now who say, hang on a second.

You didn't notice the Jaguar.

You didn't notice the Lalique silver and pepper pot.

You didn't notice the Smithson handbag.

And when people tried to call the alarm, you didn't want anyone to hear.

Just listen to her then.

So how do we make sense of the fact that...

She clearly didn't want much of an investigation to go ahead then.

She says that she cooperated fully with the police investigation.

She was, you know, in a sort of deposition for, I think, up to seven hours.

The Scottish Sun is reporting actually what they call frustration amongst the police officers who questioned Nicola Sturgeon at the time because...

By all accounts, by their accounts, by whoever's leaked this to The Sun, she preferred not to answer in a very full way.

She says she cooperated fully, but the accounts that have come out of that deposition essentially suggest that she said, words to the effect of no comment or I can't answer that or I don't recall, stuff that essentially shut down their ability to get

kind of broader answers from her as to what was actually going on then.

Yeah, I think that's right.

I mean, Peter Murrell was brought in as chief executive by Swinney in 2001.

Where are we now?

2026, so 25 years later, and the same man, John Swinney, is still atop the party.

And that period of theft, I mean, it was not taxpayer, it was SNP member theft, right?

Frankly, went on for a period of 10 years.