Lewis Goodall

But politics is about psychology and it's all about the tipping point.

There are people who went towards the door because they thought he was going to fall.

And if he's not going to fall, then they actually want to walk their way back from it because they think, well, you know, let's just see where we are in three months time.

Jess Phillips made it very clear, didn't she, in that letter.

It was about this kind of just painful incrementalism that she is somebody who speaks from the heart, who wants to see action, who wants to get stuff done.

She, you know, she wants she wants the fight taken to the tech companies.

You know, above all else, she wants things sorted out.

And actually, I think she looked at the.

the legislative plan more than anything else and was like, oh, come on, come on.

Bricks and mortar.

Personally, it keeps you very secure.

And just to give you the reform line, which is that the process of purchasing the property came before the gift.

In other words, they are saying that actually...

It might look like it on paper that he got the money and then he got the house.

But actually, the whole process of starting to buy the property came before the money.

I mean, what is fascinating about this whole exchange, and I think your question gets to the heart of it, is that finally there is scrutiny on this party that remained under-scrutinised for about a decade, right?

And you can hear it in Tice's voice.

He's just not very used to it, right?

The idea that somebody is asking to justify where a massive donation came from is something he takes sort of personal umbrage about.

Well, I've just told you.